After all that hysterical shrieking about Labor debt...

[i-need-a-martini]

...Abbott has no plans to cut back on spending nor is he planning on cutting back on our countries debt.

So all that shrill panic from the Liberals about our dire economic situation was just dishonest waffle then was it?

An Abbott government would let the federal deficit blow out rather than break a spending promise, Tony Abbott says.

Asked what he would do if faced with a choice between honouring his spending commitments and keeping his pledge to return the budget to surplus, Mr Abbott told Fairfax Media in an interview: ''You'll notice we haven't said we're going to get to a surplus by a particular date.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/ill-keep-my-word-abbott-20130905-2t89r....

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/ill-keep-my-word-abbott-20130905-2t89r....

[purplecarrot-top]

Thanks meep. Hope he gets well soon. However I still do not respect and like him as I once did.


Antonella seen the coalition policy on aged care?

[purplecarrot-top]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/seniors-group-attacks-coalition-plan-to...


Snuck it in yesterday.

[izabsmiling]

I saw that it started with his nose dripping ...I wanted to give him a hankerchief .

[izabsmiling]

or rather upper lip sweat ...then nose wipe with hand.

at first the sweat appeared to me to be like he was wearing a gloss/vasoline

[monman12]

At least LL prefers to shoot the messenger IS. However I suppose  some posts apropos  Hockey overheating actually might make you feel better!

[izabsmiling]

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@purplecarrot-top wrote:
Thanks meep. Hope he gets well soon. However I still do not respect and like him as I once did.


Antonella seen the coalition policy on aged care?

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I posted this on another thread .I think it fits in here as it is a policy/budget related

The aged care questions caught my attention.Nursing homes have in a responsibility to provide adequate care and staff numbers with suitable qualifications to provide that care to their residents ..unfortunately that is a bit too open to interpretation as unfortunately 'the book work' done for accreditation in some cases.

Prior to the 1997 Act staff:resident/staff ratios were mandated.( who was our PM in 1997 ?)

From my own experiences working in the field (both in rural and city areas) .I feel that though there is good and bad in all areas and many great private nursing homes,just as there are public. ..I found that it was more often the private sector Nursing Homes rather than State run nursing homes where the interpretation was most to the detriment to the residents ...and naturally to the staff themselves.It's a full on job both emotionally and physically even in the best of situations.It really is soul destroying in some cases and very dangerous for all  when and where the situations are far far from ideal.When I did agency work I felt more at ease prior to arriving at unknown public nusing home than I did a private one.I have also worked on a more permenant basis at a couple of nursing homes .I felt that the care that we the staff provided was very good .Money/profit, however did factor into things (at a higher level)  at times ..more than I would like it too have.       The ANU is vital btw.

I hope that the Living Better, Living Longer helps with these issues I have been reading about .

What won't help imo is suggestions I have read that State run nursing homes may be sold to private owners .Not something Kevin Rudd is planning or suggesting .I hope that the suggestion in the media (back in June) that the Libs may is only gossip.

http://www.livinglongerlivingbetter.gov.au/internet/living/publishing.nsf/content/Proposed-Legislati...

Response to the Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee Report on the: Aged Care (Living Longer Living Better) Bill 2013 [Provisions] and related bills

Living Longer Living Better

The Living Longer Living Better, aged care reform package was announced on 20 April 2012. The package involves a comprehensive 10 year plan to reshape aged care and build a better, fairer and more nationally consistent aged care system.

http://www.livinglongerlivingbetter.gov.au/

Martini , I think that I may be feeling similar to you ...I'm finding it  even harder to find/post the words I can post.. than I usually do 

[izabsmiling]

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MM wrote:At least LL prefers to shoot the messenger IS. However I suppose  some posts apropos  Hockey overheating actually might make you feel better!

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what message are you giving me ? 

I might join LL

[freakiness]

After all their posturing about Politifact backing up their claims I wonder how they'll feel about this.

http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/sep/06/liberal-party-australia/have-all-c...

Our ruling

The Coalition today released a document showing its spending and savings measures. It produces a bottom line, but does not an account for the way each policy has been costed, displaying the assumptions and the process in plain sight.

Showing that numbers add up without revealing how they were arrived at has little value.

We know that the PBO looked at most policies and the panel of experts looked at all of them. But three major policies were not submitted to the PBO for costing, and there are big questions over the assumptions behind each of them.

The pamphlet in question was created and circulated well before today’s announcement. To tell voters that "all Coalition policies are fully costed and fully funded" is inaccurate.

We rate the statement False.

[monman12]

FN: "......But three major policies were not submitted to the PBO for costing, and there are big questions over the assumptions behind each of them......"

I agree not a wise move, however Rudd does not let that  bother him, he just makes up his own figures and says they are supported by Treasury and the PBO,  resulting in: "the departments and PBO issued statements saying Labor had misrepresented their findings."

"In the 2007 election, the ALP submitted its policies to Treasury late and then waited until the Friday before polling day to release its costings."
"An official costing of Labor's full suite of policies from the departments of Treasury and Finance will not be available to voters this weekend because it failed to submit all its policies in time. Finance was unable to cost 36 policies submitted."

Also from Politifact:
Most persistent falsehood of the campaign
Winner: Labor’s Penny Wong, for her claim that the Coalition would need to make at least $70 billion worth of cuts in order to balance the books.

I am off to Malacca tomorrow for a rest.

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN: "......But three major policies were not submitted to the PBO for costing, and there are big questions over the assumptions behind each of them......"

I agree not a wise move, however Rudd does not let that  bother him, he just makes up his own figures and says they are supported by Treasury and the PBO,  resulting in: "the departments and PBO issued statements saying Labor had misrepresented their findings."

"In the 2007 election, the ALP submitted its policies to Treasury late and then waited until the Friday before polling day to release its costings."
"An official costing of Labor's full suite of policies from the departments of Treasury and Finance will not be available to voters this weekend because it failed to submit all its policies in time. Finance was unable to cost 36 policies submitted."

Also from Politifact:
Most persistent falsehood of the campaign
Winner: Labor’s Penny Wong, for her claim that the Coalition would need to make at least $70 billion worth of cuts in order to balance the books.

I am off to Malacca tomorrow for a rest.

Did you see the documents?

It was the media that got that wrong, causing Treasury to correct the misrepresentation.

The documents clearly stated they were lodged in May by Labor and were pre caretaker mode.