Aged Care Assessment, NSW

Can someone tell me the process please? OH is organising this today for his dad, he and his older sis have Enduring Guardianship and POA for him and are about to exercise it.


Younger sis is adamantly against it.


Does anyone know, if they do an assessment do we have to specify what they are assessing him for?


eg: nursing home or care at home? Dementia?


He called on the weekend wanting to know about ebay, as he wanted to buy a $40,000 motorbike for someone 😐 Access to those funds has now been stopped but he will be upset/angry when he finds out.


It's just so sad as he was/is the loveliest caring man.:-(

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Iza I am no authority on what happens in Victoria but here in NSW if you need to apply for POA/Guardianship for someone who is already incapable it is best to go to a private solicitor and make it very plain that you do not want the Public Trustee involved.  The Public Trustee is the cheapest and easiest option but if they do happen to get the Guardinship you can kiss goodbye to having any say in your relative's care and/or finances.  They are expensive and notoriously difficult to deal with....you won't even be able to buy toiletries for your relative with their own money without approval from the PT.

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Hi Lyndal,

It's a few years too late for the financial side of things .That is already managed by State Trustees and though not perfect it takes pressure off family members who are sometimes reinbursed sometimes not .Less finger pointing and nasty blame and accusations that way too.

Drs recommend applying for Guardianship ....seemingly unaware (or if so didn't share knowledge/info)  of  the possibility of an outside body being given it as a result of an application.

The online application has been done.Sounds some legal advice may be a good thing .

Thanks

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Oh dear....if the financial affairs are already out of the family's hands I don't like your chances of getting any other workable arrangements in place.

Again, my knowledge is confined to NSW but my father gave POA to a family member many years before it was needed and when his mind was very good.  By the time it was implemented years later his mental state was variable....sometimes good, sometimes away with the fairies.  He kept asking various members of the family to do things that they did not have authority to do....it was a general mix up all round as he forgot to tell other members of the family who was doing things for him.

Eventually we got him on a good day so to speak and suggested a joint guardianship....the POA holder and another family member who he kept insisting he wanted to look after him.

The paperwork went through without a hitch as we were lucky that Dad was having a good week and was able to understand what he was signing.

But it was still virtually unworkable....while both guardians were able to give permission for medical treatment etc the whole arrangement could only work if the holder of the POA gave permission for the bills to be paid....if she said "no" then the other guardian would be responsible for the expenses of what they had authorised.

While your family may get a guardianship order they can still not authorise anything involving money without agreement from the Public Trustee.

All I can do is wish you the best of luck with it all....you will need it.

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While your family may get a guardianship order they can still not authorise anything involving money without agreement from the Public Trustee.

All I can do is wish you the best of luck with it all....you will need it.

 

 

 

Though not ideal I'm OK with the difficulties of money aspect of it ...for now at least.Thanks for your advice .

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My hubby and his older sister have joint POA and guardianship but can act independently of each other. My sis in law really has no input, she chooses to let my OH do everything his way. I sppose that works ok for them as they are best of friends and always have been.

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great it seems to be working out for you and your FIL Az.....A cousin of OH came up from NSW to visit him today.  I don't understand some people.....she asked him. (who has dementia) was he happy in the nursing home?   geez.  of course he said no he wasn't.!  thank goodness for short term memory loss!! silly woman.

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Yes Az, in your case it is not a problem as both your OH and his sister have both Guardianship and POA.

In our case there was one POA but 2 parties with Guardianship.  Either Guardian could authorise a medical procedure but if the holder of the POA wanted to be nasty they could refuse to pay and the party who had authorised the procedure would have been personally liable.

This was the reason I warned Iza as I did....Public Trustees are notorious for being very slow to authorise payments for anything let alone expensive medical procedures.

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@kengillard wrote:

great it seems to be working out for you and your FIL Az.....A cousin of OH came up from NSW to visit him today.  I don't understand some people.....she asked him. (who has dementia) was he happy in the nursing home?   geez.  of course he said no he wasn't.!  thank goodness for short term memory loss!! silly woman.


Some people have no idea! However, most people really need to be told what to say and when?

Hope he settles Gill.

We never refer to Dad's place as a nursing home, we always call it "Dad's home" or "Dad's place" and even "Dad's unit"........... he now says "you better take me home" when he wants to go back after we take him out... or here, for a visit.That generation seem to have a fear of Nursing Homes.

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