on 16-07-2015 08:27 AM
Alan Jones is vehemently opposed to the Shenhua Watermark coalmine which was given approval last week to go ahead.
The government announced the plam approval whilst Jones was out of the country and the east coast was distracted by State of Origin footy fever.
Please vote in the poll. I think it is open until 9am est.
http://www.2gb.com/poll/poll-shenhua-mine
thanks
on 17-07-2015 12:52 PM
on 17-07-2015 12:56 PM
@debra9275 wrote:
Why was windsor getting the hatchet job... From more than one murdoch paper the day after he announced he may run for the seat again?
Probably because he's shown himself to be a hypocrite.
Who are you saying is blackmailing Joyce? His own party?
That's what I'm hearing.
on 17-07-2015 01:01 PM
17-07-2015 01:08 PM - edited 17-07-2015 01:11 PM
IR: "Well, since you couldn't be bothered doing some research (sorry), I did it for you.
I'd say this picture speaks a thousand words about how near is near.
How about, "near" = slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?
I'd say that epitomises the level of debate apropos this project, and "research" , with 3 Kudos??. The mine will NOT be built "slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?"
What will be built?
Shenhua Watermark is planning to construct an open cut mine to extract 10 million tonnes of coal a year from the slopes adjoining the Liverpool Plains, an area known for its fertile and highly valuable black agricultural soils.
On Thursday NSW’s independent approvals body, the Planning and Assessment Commission (PAC), granted final approval to the controversial Watermark coal project at Breeza, near the Liverpool Plains.
Farmers have argued that agriculture on the fertile black soil plains adjacent to the mine area would suffer, with impacts to groundwater among the key concerns. The Land.com
However, Shenhua maintained its mine was located in ridge country above the black soil plains, and impacts on the fertile farmland would be limited.
the Planning Assessment Commission approved the $1.2 billion Shenhua Watermark open-cut coal mine for the farming region.
The commission found the proposed 268 million–tonne mine in northern NSW did not intrude on to the region's fertile black soils.
Aty least Windsor did not accept that the mine would be built in prime agricultural land, but concentrated on possible" aquifer problems.
Where will the mine be built
It will be west of Breeze, within the roads in the Landsat image. perhaps some might notice the faint contour lines indicating that the mine area is elevated (above the Plains). I would point out that the green areas ARE agricultural properties "slap bang" in fertile volcanic plain soil.
on 17-07-2015 02:36 PM
@monman12 wrote:IR: "Well, since you couldn't be bothered doing some research (sorry), I did it for you.
I'd say this picture speaks a thousand words about how near is near.
How about, "near" = slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?
I'd say that epitomises the level of debate apropos this project, and "research" , with 3 Kudos??. The mine will NOT be built "slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?"
What will be built?
Shenhua Watermark is planning to construct an open cut mine to extract 10 million tonnes of coal a year from the slopes adjoining the Liverpool Plains, an area known for its fertile and highly valuable black agricultural soils.
On Thursday NSW’s independent approvals body, the Planning and Assessment Commission (PAC), granted final approval to the controversial Watermark coal project at Breeza, near the Liverpool Plains.
Farmers have argued that agriculture on the fertile black soil plains adjacent to the mine area would suffer, with impacts to groundwater among the key concerns. The Land.com
However, Shenhua maintained its mine was located in ridge country above the black soil plains, and impacts on the fertile farmland would be limited.
the Planning Assessment Commission approved the $1.2 billion Shenhua Watermark open-cut coal mine for the farming region.
The commission found the proposed 268 million–tonne mine in northern NSW did not intrude on to the region's fertile black soils.
Aty least Windsor did not accept that the mine would be built in prime agricultural land, but concentrated on possible" aquifer problems.
Where will the mine be built
It will be west of Breeze, within the roads in the Landsat image. perhaps some might notice the faint contour lines indicating that the mine area is elevated (above the Plains). I would point out that the green areas ARE agricultural properties "slap bang" in fertile volcanic plain soil.
Accurate research is essential in a debate IR, not a quick C&P sans any checking , and yes a picture can tell a lot, also ask a lot, i.e. why do you think the mine site is lacking any obvious intensive agricultural production?.
Because it belongs to Shenhua and they want to mine it not farm it?
on 17-07-2015 03:01 PM
debra9275 wrote:
He's a hypocrite for selling his own land to a miner... And spending 7 years getting this water trigger bill through... Ok lol
No he's a hypocrite for selling his land to mining and then saying he's going to run for Mr Joyce's job because Mr Joyce was not doing enough to oppose Shenhua mine.
His so called water trigger failed in the Watermark mine situated on what used to be his property. "World Class" impact studies for the Watermark application, experts said the aquifer level would fall less than 10cm. In fact it's fallen 15mtrs.The mine is flooded and inoperable. They're piping water into the air to evaporate it.
So how reliable are these so-called "world class experts".
Poor Barbaby, the knives must be out within the LNP.
Nobody's job is safe, is it? Not even Bill Shorton's is safe from the leaks in his own party.
17-07-2015 03:12 PM - edited 17-07-2015 03:17 PM
on 17-07-2015 03:59 PM
@debra9275 wrote:
I know that Tony Windsor fought long and hard to get the water trigger bill in place. Has BarnabyJoyce actively done anything about this mine or has he just told the electorate he doesn't support it.? Perhaps he is the hypocrite when you read that article from the daily telegraph about the national party pushing for the mines go ahead behind the scenes at the same time they were saying they didn't support the mine in that area
I wish pimpy would come back and tell us what's really going on.
Not sure that abbott's job is safe either now that you mention it (within his own party and beyond)
Wishful thinking.
on 17-07-2015 06:11 PM
Monman, when you look closely at the picture you posted, what do you suppose all those variously coloured but clearly delineated rectangles represent? You did look closely before you posted, didn't you?
Just because prime agricultural lands have been allowed to lie fallow and not farmed, are you saying this changes the definition of the type of land described?
on 17-07-2015 06:46 PM
I'd say that epitomises the level of debate apropos this project, and "research" , with 3 Kudos??. The mine will NOT be built "slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?"
Actually, yes it is slap bang in the middle. There is crop land all around the mine site. Some of the mine site land was used for cropping, the steeper rocky land was used for stock. The site is not ajdacent to or above, or next to, it is in the middle of the plains.
The water is the main focus but what we should all be concerned about is the corruption, lies, agendas of the politicians to push this mine through no matter what. The legislations that protect the landowners, native fauna and flora, Aboriginal sites, are meaningless when it comes to mining. The governement is overriding the very law that should be protecting us. This isn't a labour vs liberal thing, they are all in it.
Shenhua states that it will only apply local residents. This means that it can employ chinese nationals who are residing in Gunnedah and still fulfil it's promise to employ.