Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution

[j*oono]

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

[j*oono]

Village person, you seem to have missed this part of Bluecat's post.

and yet, they have turned their lives around.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Before and after.It's called rehabilitation.

[nevynreally]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Before and after.It's called rehabilitation.

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But that's not how Indonesian law works. And it's been known for decades. You decide you can beat it, you pay the price.

[village_person]

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@j*oono wrote:

Village person, you seem to have missed this part of Bluecat's post.

and yet, they have turned their lives around.

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And as I said earlier, out of necessity. Would you expect them to be badly behaved, spitting at guards and being hard to handle. They are facing the firing squad. Why not feign a reformed character? It might be viewed in a positive light.

[nevynreally]

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@village_person wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Village person, you seem to have missed this part of Bluecat's post.

and yet, they have turned their lives around.

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And as I said earlier, out of necessity. Would you expect them to be badly behaved, spitting at guards and being hard to handle. They are facing the firing squad. Why not feign a reformed character? It might be viewed in a positive light.

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I don't think they're feigning. But they chose to not follow the rules. Seems to be happening a lot these days. Then the whining starts.

[boris1gary]

ouch, accurate though

http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/01/24/take-aim-fire-will-australian-hypocrisy-a-high-pedestal....

Take aim, fire at will: Australian hypocrisy on a high pedestal 

The Australian media is engaged in a surreal form of hypocrisy by criticizing the execution of those convicted of drug trafficking in Indonesia. Canberra’s exceptionalism stands out as it puts its double standards with respect to human lives and dignity on a high pedestal, problematizing the death penalty only when Australians are put before the firing squad.

First, Indonesian state treatment of convicted drug traffickers differs only slightly from Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers. Asylum seekers desperately trying to seek refuge in Australia and convicted drug traffickers vacationing in Bali are similar “abject bodies”: individuals that the sovereign state does not want and plans to effectively and efficiently dispose of.

In a nutshell, the only difference between Indonesian and Australian treatment of “abject bodies” lies merely in each country’s preferred legal methods and the distance considered comfortable and acceptable by its public.

Indonesia provides open and accessible trials, opportunities for appeal, sympathetic media coverage, rehabilitation programs and a chance at being granted presidential clemency.

On the other hand, Australia seemingly prefers secretive on-the-spot extra-judicial actions, better known as “on-sea-matters” that the Abbott government refuses to comment on. -

See more at: http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/01/24/take-aim-fire-will-australian-hypocrisy-a-high-pedestal....

[nevynreally]

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@crosbystills wrote:

No, but no country has the moral right to make any damned law they please. And we are morally bankrupt if we we don't challenge things like flogging for blogging, which is happening in the Middle East right now. 

It's not black and white i.e. death penalty or free heroin for everyone.

I hardly see how invoking the brave acts of those in WW2, standing up against an oppressive regime, should offend anyone.

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 Yes they do. You want to be in their territory, you play by their rules.

I'm not too sure you have full comprehension about either World War and why neither is applicible in the case of these two drug smugglers on death row.

[crosbystills]

Do you understand the difference between a legal right and a moral right?

I am NOT comparing members of the armed forces to drug smugglers.

[twyngwyn]

nevyn, do you not agree with this statement?

[nevynreally]

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@twyngwyn wrote:

nevyn, do you not agree with this statement?

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Do you believe in laws? Or do you cherry pick the one's you want to follow? These laws have been known about for decades.