Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution

[j*oono]

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

[polksaladallie]

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@village_person wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Village person, you seem to have missed this part of Bluecat's post.

and yet, they have turned their lives around.

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And as I said earlier, out of necessity. Would you expect them to be badly behaved, spitting at guards and being hard to handle. They are facing the firing squad. Why not feign a reformed character? It might be viewed in a positive light.

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Feign?

So now it's a conspiracy.  The university has been bribed to grant credits towards the degree.

[village_person]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Good quote from twitter (whether you like twitter or not)

Those who say 'they've broken the law & now pay the penalty' are as extreme as those who kill 4 their ideology, heartless extremists.  

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Twitter is for twits.

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One of my local twit friends was an Australian of the year finalist today.  Pretty cool sort of twit  😄
 

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ISIS also uses twitter. 

[village_person]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@village_person wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Village person, you seem to have missed this part of Bluecat's post.

and yet, they have turned their lives around.

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And as I said earlier, out of necessity. Would you expect them to be badly behaved, spitting at guards and being hard to handle. They are facing the firing squad. Why not feign a reformed character? It might be viewed in a positive light.

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Feign?

So now it's a conspiracy.  The university has been bribed to grant credits towards the degree.

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Cast your mind back if you will to the time when Alan Bond was facing legal action. Gone was the high powered tycoon/entrepreneur so full of vitality. Instead we were treated to a pathetic figure propped up by Prozac. Bond was reduced to an insecure and bumbling person who looked old and wretched. We had to paint a picture in our minds of a lonely man who had suffered an almighty fall. We had to form a picture of him wandering the streets of Dalkeith trying to remember where he parked his Rolls Royce. What a transformation. I don't think Bond's acting coach was given the credit for that marvellous transformation.

People do change

[polksaladallie]

Huh?     What's that got to with a university being bribed?

[village_person]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Huh?     What's that got to with a university being bribed?

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Just as much as conspiracy and good character being in thrall to each other.

[***super_nova***]

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@j*oono wrote:

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

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I am against death penalty on principle, but we cannot dictate to other countries how to conduct their legal matters.  Indonesians are following their legal system.  They just executed Dutch (?) citizen, they will not pardon these 2.  And in any case, it was not a "silly mistake".  It was major criminal activity, which in some countries carries death penalty.  I have some sympathy for the men, they are not the same people they were 10 years ago, and I feel sorry for their family.  But there are so many unjustly jailed people, there are people being tortured for political reasons, there are still people in Guantanamo, who the US government cannot charge with anything, but do not know what to do with.  On my list of people to support, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran would be way way down.

[polksaladallie]

True, I agree.  The ones at the top are those incarcerated who are known to be innocent, but are kept there because to go through the measures to release them would be to admit that police and the judiciary made big blunders.  I am not aware of all the countries where this is rife, but I do know that the USA is prominent.

[bluecat*dancing]

They went into prison as low-life losers who deserved to be incarcerated but have since turned their lives around.

People either believe in the death penalty or they don't. I'm one of the latter. I don't have that vengeful bloodlust that wants to kill, kill, kill. Life is short enough as it is.

This is not about whether they should be released from prison but whether they should  be executed. Because a country has barbaric laws does not mean that they should be condoned.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

They went into prison as low-life losers who deserved to be incarcerated but have since turned their lives around.

People either believe in the death penalty or they don't. I'm one of the latter. I don't have that vengeful bloodlust that wants to kill, kill, kill. Life is short enough as it is.

This is not about whether they should be released from prison but whether they should  be executed. Because a country has barbaric laws does not mean that they should be condoned.

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This has made me think. How do we decide the appropriate punishment. You call their laws barbaric. But  is it??? We consider murder and rape relatively  speaking as the most serious crime. But if we were to be logical and base punishment on how many lives it ruins. You would have to say distributing drugs to hundreds or thousands of people should deserve the most severe punishment right?

BTW do you really think they've turned their lives around. THe stats on rehabilitation is poor and reoffending is high. People are almost suggesting this is their first offense. You gotta be pretty delusional to think that. 

[willg-rodne]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

They went into prison as low-life losers who deserved to be incarcerated but have since turned their lives around.

People either believe in the death penalty or they don't. I'm one of the latter. I don't have that vengeful bloodlust that wants to kill, kill, kill. Life is short enough as it is.

This is not about whether they should be released from prison but whether they should  be executed. Because a country has barbaric laws does not mean that they should be condoned.

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This has made me think. How do we decide the appropriate punishment. You call their laws barbaric. But  is it??? We consider murder and rape relatively  speaking as the most serious crime. But if we were to be logical and base punishment on how many lives it ruins. You would have to say distributing drugs to hundreds or thousands of people should deserve the most severe punishment right?

BTW do you really think they've turned their lives around. THe stats on rehabilitation is poor and reoffending is high. People are almost suggesting this is their first offense. You gotta be pretty delusional to think that. 

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Well it appears that YHWH has put it into the mind of the person in charge of Bali to not want them executed there.He is pro execution for drug runners and testified at their trials but he does not want them executed there.If God decides He does not want them killed then they wont be killed.