Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution

[j*oono]

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

[happyroo_bunji]

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@j*oono wrote:

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

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I understand what you are saying.

But I have to agree with the others, they knew the law in that country.  What about all the others on death row in Indonesia? What about the ones executed last week? Do they not matter?

For whats its worth, I am against the death penalty.

[cherry*135]

They knew it was wrong, but how many people do actions that they know are wrong, go to prison, serve a sentence and get released...most criminals do. Second chance for them, which some stuff up later but some don't.

Humans shouldn't take another humans life imo

The new President of a Indonesia wants to make an example of these people as a warning to others. Bad timing for the ones due to be
executed for drug offences, under the previous President they may have had a better chance of serving a long sentence instead of execution.

[azureline**]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@au2015_alvi wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

I am not in favour of the death penalty for any reason.

I equate it with the same argument about euthenasia................. people think that is humane and empathetic, much better to encourage incarceration as punishment.

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In USA in Indiana there is a man that has been in prison for around 28 years.Since he was 13 years old.Since the age of 15 he has been in an adult prison.In a cell for 23 hours per day .The other one hour is an in exercise yard alone.So basically for all those years he is alone in a cell.Day in day out.He has 40 years to go before eligible for parole.The only people he sees is guards .Surely death would have been better than that.

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Sanford has chosen life.  Obviously he disagrees with you.

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I can't imagine why no one has tried to get parole for him or why he was tried as an adult. His accomplice is out? 13 yo's are not usually the same at 23 or 33.......

[j*oono]

That's another thing I don't like Am.  Killing people as an example to others.

I watched that part of the documentary Au Alvi, and a bit more. No matter how bad it looks he is making a life for himself in there. It is terrible what he did but I still feel for him.

Happyroo, I do feel bad for the others but I don't know who they are.  I would not even like my sons to visit Bali or Indonesia and that's the truth.

[polksaladallie]

The answer, only in the USA.   And he is black.    Barbaric laws.  

[myoclon1cjerk]

http://mercycampaign.org/petition

[j*oono]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
http://mercycampaign.org/petition

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Done.  I wish it would help.

[ufo_investigations]

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@j*oono wrote:

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

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I saw the mother on TV crying and pleading I just can't imagine how much heart ache she must be going through.

The fact is: You can't fool around with drugs in death penalty countries! It is well known what happens if you get caught.

I think there are 2 possibilities of what could happen:

1.  Sentenced to life without parole (in filthy conditions) they don't get playstation, tv, games room, gyms like in Australia.

or

2.  Shot by firing squad.

I don't like either choices.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Sadly, I think it is a lost cause. I don't believe  the Indonesian government can afford to commute the death sentences. The backlash would be too great if they were seen to be pandering to Australia by showing more leniency towards its citizens.T hey have already executed two foreigners despite the best efforts of their respective governments.

[j*oono]

I know you are right She_el but I do hope you are wrong. It reminds me also of Van Tuong Nguyen who was executed in Singapore.  I sadly remember that night.