Another live export failure

[davidc4430]

Live export of 63,000 sheep may be blocked if Emanuel Export does not meet animal welfare guidelines

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-06/agriculture-department-threatens-to-block-live-export-shipment...

[kopenhagen5]

After listening to a guy on tv last night continually saying how australia has the highest standards in the world re live exports i had a great idea.

To be fair, he was saying Australia have the highest standards BUT some exporters are not adhering to those standards.

[davidc4430]

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@kopenhagen5wrote:

After listening to a guy on tv last night continually saying how australia has the highest standards in the world re live exports i had a great idea.

To be fair, he was saying Australia have the highest standards BUT some exporters are not adhering to those standards.

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wouldnt you think, after the outcry when the labor govt acted after the videos of cattle being bashed to death were released, remember the lib/nat party condeming the labor party for its 'kneejerk' action? well wouldnt you think the lib/nats who said they knew better how to handle things, would not now be presiding over what looks to me even worse!

so presumably the lib/nats are proud they have worlds highest standards which still allow for thousands of sheep to die horrible deaths on their lifetime cruise.

as i said, lets just put cameras on all the ships with constant 24/7 live streaming.

[lyhargr_0]

As I have mentioned before, I abhor Live Trade Export    ..... I dont give a flying fig how well the sheep farmers are doing here in Au atm nor the age of the sheep they send out for Live Trade  ...... I DO care that these animals were left with NO food or water, had to stand in their own urine and excrement until they died an excruciating death from heat exhaustion    

[kopenhagen5]

Policing needs to be strict. It is live animals, completely different to other products.

Cameras could play an important role in that for sure.

If we are to export live animals, lets make it really tough for rules to be broken and lets lift the standards even higher with much better conditions. The integrity and reputation will equate to the middle east being prepared to pay top dollar for a top product.

That kind of initial investment will pay dividends in the long run.

Shareholders will need to take a small cut, government will need spend a little and everyone involved will need to work a little harder initially. 

I fear there are very few competitors, hence a lethargy has set in with current export companies.

If countries such as Japan, Holland, Denmark, USA were given the shipping opportunity of such a contract, look out Australia, time to wake up.

[chameleon54]

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@lyhargr_0wrote:

As I have mentioned before, I abhor Live Trade Export    ..... I dont give a flying fig how well the sheep farmers are doing here in Au atm nor the age of the sheep they send out for Live Trade  ...... I DO care that these animals were left with NO food or water, had to stand in their own urine and excrement until they died an excruciating death from heat exhaustion    

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Just as well you are not in a position to manage Australias exit from the live shipping trade then. ( or anything else that requires some logical, responsible, reasoned  thought ). Irrational rants, devoid of any logic, facts or consideration to unintended consequences are what caused the animal welfare desaster in Northern Australia when the Gillard Government immediately halted the live cattle export trade to Indonesia.

Unfortunately as was seen with the  " immediate halt " experiment that Labor conducted, enormous numbers of animals can be left to suffer and die if stranded here on Australian soil without any plan to manage them.

Like you I would like to see the trade shut down, but with any major change in trade or political policy that has long lead times, decisions need to be thought through, planned and executed based on ALL of the FACTS, taking into account unintended consequences that may occur

As we have seen in the past, knee jerk responses based purely on emotion and devoid of any rational thought, planning or understanding of the issue can cause more problems than they solve.

[davidc4430]

we are arguing about something thats not happening.

there has been no 'kneejerk' reaction to last weeks story/videos.

the govt is NOT closing down live exports, nor is there a plan to close it over time!

if the govt had anounced 'enough is enough' we can't stop these mass deaths, all our rules and regulations are a failure, and will begin a process to end live export.

i feel those like myself would be satisfied.

but what i and people like me are seeing is ministers and people with their fingers in the pie saying 'we'll fix this, dont worry, it wont happen again'

the same rubbish we got told the last time, and the time before that!

so here we go again, we get the promises, now we wait for the next videos of mass death. which will be much harder to get because security will be upped 500%

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430wrote:

we are arguing about something thats not happening.

there has been no 'kneejerk' reaction to last weeks story/videos.

the govt is NOT closing down live exports, nor is there a plan to close it over time!

if the govt had anounced 'enough is enough' we can't stop these mass deaths, all our rules and regulations are a failure, and will begin a process to end live export.

i feel those like myself would be satisfied.

but what i and people like me are seeing is ministers and people with their fingers in the pie saying 'we'll fix this, dont worry, it wont happen again'

the same rubbish we got told the last time, and the time before that!

so here we go again, we get the promises, now we wait for the next videos of mass death. which will be much harder to get because security will be upped 500%

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A very rational and reasonable response David. Again it appears we can fully agree on something.

[davidc4430]

Live export industry to discuss Labor's plan for independent animal welfare inspector

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/live-export-industry-to-dicuss-labor-proposal/9669156

I can only assume the live export industy's sudden backflip on this proposal means they believe they can do as they have with previous attempts to bring their business under contol, that is, ignore it and carry on regardeless.

i have no faith this group cares one bit for the welfare of the animals, other wise we wouldnt be seeing 'smuggled out' videos of cruelty on a massive scale!

if any one of us ordinary people treated just 1 animal in the way this mob of money hungry cretins have treated the animals in their care, we'd be put through the courts, fined and ordered to have no animals in our care for a long time.

however these bistards just carry on as if it nothing.

stop the bandaids, stop the rot, stop the exports!

[davidc4430]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Live export industry to discuss Labor's plan for independent animal welfare inspector

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/live-export-industry-to-dicuss-labor-proposal/9669156

I can only assume the live export industy's sudden backflip on this proposal means they believe they can do as they have with previous attempts to bring their business under contol, that is, ignore it and carry on regardeless.

i have no faith this group cares one bit for the welfare of the animals, other wise we wouldnt be seeing 'smuggled out' videos of cruelty on a massive scale!

if any one of us ordinary people treated just 1 animal in the way this mob of money hungry cretins have treated the animals in their care, we'd be put through the courts, fined and ordered to have no animals in our care for a long time.

however these bistards just carry on as if it nothing.

stop the bandaids, stop the rot, stop the exports!

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oops, put an 'i' instead of an 'a' there

[tasfleur]

"Bistards and Bandaids" ......      What a great name for a heavy metal rock band ..