07-08-2015 06:33 PM - edited 07-08-2015 06:35 PM
09-08-2015 01:35 AM - edited 09-08-2015 01:37 AM
Julia Gillard is keeping herself very much in the public eye, as a public speaker (general contact with the public on an ongoing basis), and by commenting on political events...such as giving advice to Hillary Clinton. This is then published all around the world. Definitely still a person of interest to the media.
on 09-08-2015 10:16 AM
on 09-08-2015 12:35 PM
Tony Abbott is less popular than Julia Gillard was in the days before she was dumped in favour of Kevin Rudd before last year's election.
And in that election Rudd lost, Gillard lost, the ALP lost and Abbott became PM
What is this, a Sunday catharsis service blended with a touch of year old feel-good? Perhaps even just a "stir the pot" with some yummy pink stew !
Oh gosh DY "your poll" just happens to be the first poll after "that" budget was announced, wherein the hand-feeding of the.flocks was seen to be in jeopardy. If one feels like some less than a year old polls choose from HERE.
"Julia Gillard has some advice for Hillary Clinton if she becomes the United States’ first female president — call out any sexism early."
I think Poor Me giving advice to Clinton (via a public forum) is somewhat of an egg sucking exercise as Clinton (H) has survived in the Washington/Beltway jungle for many years without reverting to gender whimping, and with the announcement of her running as a presidential hopeful these are a few examples of some comments directed at her:
I think Poor Me could well have done with some (a lot) "toughen up" advice from Clinton, that is of course if the men who put Gillard in, and then removed her. would allow it !
on 09-08-2015 12:46 PM
on 09-08-2015 01:49 PM
Donna, I am not convinced Mr. Shorten would be right, either. It is very difficult at the moment to choose between the two.
09-08-2015 02:06 PM - edited 09-08-2015 02:09 PM
Monman, I think Julia Gillard was using gender as a political weapon. Which served her well. Hillary Clinton has met with gender-based taunts and been unfazed.
Gender shouldn't be an issue. Merit and getting the job done is what matters. Hillary gets that.
on 10-08-2015 02:29 PM
I think Poor Me could well have done with some (a lot) "toughen up" advice from Clinton, that is of course if the men who put Gillard in, and then removed her. would allow it !
Are you seriously suggesting that comments such as those should go unchallenged? Because if you are, then you clearly have a serious problem with women and it's time someone called you out on it.
10-08-2015 04:41 PM - edited 10-08-2015 04:45 PM
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"Are you seriously suggesting that comments such as those should go unchallenged? Because if you are, then you clearly have a serious problem with women and it's time someone called you out on it."
TGSE, these comments have been (and should be) challenged. As for your interpretation of my comments, I was under the impression that you were a long time reader of posts here, and also not prone to making such out of touch statements, but it did earn a Kudos !.
So allow me to simplify this past comment of mine :
"I think Poor Me giving advice to Clinton (via a public forum) is somewhat of an egg sucking exercise as Clinton (H) has survived in the Washington/Beltway jungle for many years without reverting to gender whimping......"
Clinton (H) has suffered many verbal slings and arrows within the US political jungle and has the fortitude and intelligence to handle them without "gender whimping" which is why I refer to Gillard as Poor Me.
I would point out that I have in the past (you might have overlooked ?) mentioned some female leaders that I hold in esteem e.g. :
I guess she never studied international political history, because a Merkel, Clinton, Yellen, Thatcher, Rouseff, Bhutto she could never have been in a fit, with her "constant" references to perceived sexism and misogyny.
Poor Me is actually not a "cheap insult" but a cheap fact. I wonder if people like Merkle, Thatcher, Clinton (H), Bhutto (B) bemoaned what the "boys" said or called them?
I will remember her as the Poor Me member for Lalor who has said: "she hoped she had paved the way for future female holders of the office." Some hope, I think the ALP will think very hard (and the Libs) before considering a female as a PM, unless they are from the same strain as Merkel, Thatcher, Clinton, Rice, Bhutto etc, and have the same intestinal fortitude as these women, something which Gillard certainly lacked.
You can now accuse me of "insulting" Clinton(H) et al, by comparing them against Poor Me. You would be correct.
on 10-08-2015 05:01 PM
TGSE, these comments have been (and should be) challenged. As for your interpretation of my comments, I was under the impression that you were a long time reader of posts here, and also not prone to making such out of touch statements, but it did earn a Kudos !.
Then why did you follow them up with a comment suggesting Hilary Clinton should teach Gillard to "toughen up"?
I am not an avid follower of American politics but if those remarks have been made about Clinton and she has not called out the men making them, then, as a woman, I am extremely disappointed in her.
10-08-2015 05:04 PM - edited 10-08-2015 05:05 PM
The remarks were sexist in every possible sense of the word and calling them what they are cannot by any stretch of the imagination be described as gender whimping.