Are the Australian Navy shooting at people? That might work

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-turns-back-asylum-seeker-boat-from-i...

 

 

 

Indonesian authorities have quoted the asylum seekers on board saying Australian navy personnel fired shots as part of the operation to turn around the boat carrying 25 people.

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It is so predictable that people jump to conclusions that they want to believe without doubting the originating source.

 

Has it not occurred to anyone that it is in the interest of a failed unlawful entrant to falsely claim that shots were fired?


What possible justification could there possibly be for a large ship to fire shots to scare a bunch of defenceless people in a small rickety boat? That boat had many women and children including a 1 year old.

 

And to make matters worse, the boat never made it back to Indonesian shores in one piece leaving Indonesian villagers to save people in the water. We are just lucky that none have drowned so far. But how long will our luck last?

 

 

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@poddster wrote:

Martini, who said shots were fired?

 

Was it a credible source?


We only have the word of the Indonesian police and those on board the boat.

 

And quite frankly I trust that the information from them is more reliable than from our own government at the moment.

 

I note also that there has been no denial from our own authorities.

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Yes, they are.

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Our future looks grim on an international level anyway 😞

 

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You are so right, Donna, I agree with what you wrote.

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If this is true it makes me incredibly sad, nite everyone 😞

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God I hope not ...that'd be wrong in SO many ways 

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Our navy shooting at people????   I haven't heard anything.   The only reference I could find on google was this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

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Just another creation of a vivid imagination, Meep 🙂

 

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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http://hazaraasylumseekers.wordpress.com/

 

Indonesian authorities have quoted the asylum seekers on board saying Australian navy personnel fired shots as part of the operation to turn around the boat carrying 25 people.

 

This is the third confirmed tow-back of an asylum seeker vessel by the Australian authorities since December 13, despite the objections of Indonesian authorities. The other two boats were returned to Rote Island in far-eastern Indonesia.

 

The officer, quoting one of those on board, Snilul, 25, from Bangladesh, said the navy had “shot into the air just to scare them”.

 

“The boat hadn’t reached Australia – they were still at sea but they said they could already see Christmas Island,” the officer said.

 

“But they said the Australian navy then drove them away and escorted them until they entered Indonesian waters again.”

 

The boat had been carrying 25 people from Bangladesh and Myanmar and two Indonesian crew.

“There were four children, the youngest was one-and-a-half years; there were men and women. Nobody died in the sea,” the police officer said.

 

The asylum seekers told him they had started off from Medan in North Sumatra and had been on the water for 10 days.

After the Australian ship returned them to Indonesian waters, they made their way to the southern coast of Java.

 

Asked if he believed the boat was seaworthy for 25 people, the officer said it had only been built for about 10 people.

Fairfax Media has confirmed with other local officials that the asylum seekers were taken to a hotel in the town of Rangkasbitung. A staff member there said the migrants had now left her hotel, but she did not know where they had gone.

 

Meanwhile, asylum seeker sources in Cisarua, West Java, said they believed a boat carrying 54 people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Iraq had gone missing after setting off from the town on January 5 or in the early hours of January 6. But reports late on Wednesday night suggested the boat may have returned to Indonesia.

“There has been no news, no phone calls or contact by internet, no calls to their homes,” the source said earlier in the day.

 

The smuggler was insisting that the boat had reached Christmas Island and that he had received a call from the Indonesian captain. He was demanding payment of money held in trust.

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http://www.timebase.com.au/news/2014/AT016-article.html

 

Conclusion

 

Whether the current asylum seeker situation is correctly described as "war" or not, it is being treated as such by the Government and those in the defence services, as evidenced from The Age's report today indicating:

 

 

"Navy personnel carrying out border protection were quietly stripped of some workplace safety protections and

 

obligations last month in an apparent preparation for dangerous operations such as turning back boats."

 

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/navy-sailors-now-on-war-footing-to-turn-bac...

 

 

Whatever the wisdom of Operation Sovereign Borders - Australia's ''military-led, border security operation'' - if it is going to be described as a military campaign we should assess it like one.

 

When we examine military campaigns we often reflect on two interrelated questions: what is the strategy and are the tactics appropriate and adapted to achieve that strategy?

 

On strategy, Operation Sovereign Borders has been explicit: ''We are going to stop the boats.'' In the first of the now discontinued weekly briefings, the minister said ''those seeking to come on boats'' would be ''met by a broad chain of measures end to end that are designed to deter, to disrupt, to prevent their entry'' and ''to ensure that they are not settled in Australia''.

 

The tactical waters have been muddied. One tactic offered but discarded was to buy the boats.

 

Another tactic, begun by the former government, was to ensure certain persons arriving by boat could not be settled in Australia. The gift of patrol boats to Sri Lanka was announced last year. But the tactic most discussed has been to turn or tow back the boats.

 

Determination not to comment on ''on water'' matters has defined the campaign.

 

This approach, too, can be evaluated from the perspective of a military campaign.

 

The Australian Defence Force has defined information operations (IO) as ''the co-ordination of information effects to influence the decision-making and actions of a target audience and to protect and enhance our decision-making and actions in support of national interests''.

 
 
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