Are unions a legalized protection racket ?

[poddster]

Vote and then express your thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps you might like to let everyone know how YOU think unions work.

[cueperkins]

lol....same position, different lyric..."here comes another one"  HCAO....doesn't work as well as BOHICA, but it still involves touchin ya toes.....close enough...lol

[the_great_she_elephant]

If you were lined up as a mother with your children up against four guards with guns, what would you do?  Bearing in mind you didn't know what was awaiting.  What a ridiculous argument. 

Most of them were taken straight from the trains to the gas chambers. As Joono said, they had no idea what was going to happen to them - in fact I believe many of them were told  they were going to have showers and after days locked up in a cattle truck they probably couldn't get there fast enough.

[cueperkins]

.....& still nobody spoke up until they'd hauled off everyone who could oppose them...Religion wasn't the only criteria for destruction...Just not being them was enough. 

Luckily us UNIONISED countries STOOD UP TO 'EM eh what?

[*crikey*mate*]

because some people are more timid by nature.

some are not very literate or of high intelligence in terms of communication.

some are like an ant in a finely tuned operation and happy with that 

as long as they can pay their way and raise an good family

In the old days that was enough. It's getting increasingly difficult these days to cruise through life with one job, or two.

For people that left school to get a job young it's very tough when things change.

Stop making out like everyone can be superwoman because you can.

reminds me of that movie Ants - literally - the Formalist and Conflict theories at work and the divide between the unitaristics and the pluralists

and your last line is offensive - I do no more than what I have to do to get done what I have to get done - it devalues the work and sacrifice of people like our very own Bella or Shhhh here on the boards to make statements like that.

[*crikey*mate*]

Union members are not the only ones to benefit from unions......all Australian workers do.   I remind you of the 40 hour week, paid holidays, sick pay.

As for the comment about unions infiltrating political parties.....The Labor Party was formed as the political wing of the union movement.

Sure, there have been ;problems from time to time with Unions, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I have known so many anti-union employees  who changed their tune when there was a dispute with the company for whom they worked.

As an employer I have never belonged to a union, but I support the movement 100%.

Unsupported accusations are aught but mindless desperation.  (That is becoming so tedious).

Perhaps you would share your Union experiences with the rest of us, or are they unsupported accusations?

sh0w me a chef or a salaried hospitality woirker who works a 40 hour week in any decent hotel/restaurant and I'll show you someone who spends their days peeling potatoes and prawns.

even as an apprentice here in qld - my day off was from 2pm sunday until 2 pm monday - but as I was on lader back then - i had to wait around for desserts and cant remember a time I giot out before 4pm on the sunday arvo - and before we even started work at 8 am on week mornings and 7am on weekends and fridays - had to go to the markets for the fruit and veg two mornings a week and the flower mwrkets on another morning for flowers for the restaurant - and the split shift that was supposed toi haoppen between 2 and 6 - what a joke when the restaurant opens for oirders at 6pm for the dinner shift - the food dont magically appear in the fridge - someone's gotta put it there... all for $145 a week.

no better when I got lucky enough to get into the big hotels - yeah paid for a 40 hour week - but if you wanted to learn anything you had to go in on your own time when the good chefs had time toi teach you something if ya ever wanted to get out of cold lader and making salads all day - and just cos ya shift ends at 11pm - don't mean ya can walk out - ya have to stay till the customers decide to leave

at least when I got to work overseas the money was incredible - but the hours were even worse (on call 24/7 for the first month of a contract - not even allowed to leave the hotel (liuved on site)- 2nd month you were still on calll, but were at least allowed to go to the nightclub or bars within the hotel and have a bit of social life - and by the third and final month - we still worked 15 odd hour days - but were at least given some time off and allowed to leave the hotel. Then we got 2 to 4 weeks off to go home depending on where and when the next hotel was opening up - and ya got to do it all over again.

pfft - and even when I came back to work full time in aust - sure we had a roster - but ROFL - it meant JS - uyou started at 8 am in the morning and ya stayed till the last banquet/function was finished for the day and all the coustomers from the restaurants had left. Some days you'd turn up for work and after 2 hours or so they'd say - go home and call this a day off - or you'd be on a rostered day off and if the occupancy rates looked like you might be able to actually take your day off - you'd get called in to work anyway more often than not

I even had one of my exec chefs come to the hospital after i had collapsed at work (had glandular fever apparently) and he gave me 3 hours to be back at woirk or I wouldnt have a job - and that was here in Qld.

[*crikey*mate*]

If you were lined up as a mother with your children up against four guards with guns, what would you do?  Bearing in mind you didn't know what was awaiting.  What a ridiculous argument. 

It's not about the jews - its about the people that let it happen. The people who made it happen.

[*crikey*mate*]

Most of them were taken straight from the trains to the gas chambers. As Joono said, they had no idea what was going to happen to them - in fact I believe many of them were told  they were going to have showers and after days locked up in a cattle truck they probably couldn't get there fast enough.

and the rest of the world looked on and knew about it.

Adolf hitler was ONE man - how many people would it have really taken to stand up to him and his policies - but nah - they bought his propagandarized BS on the back of the Treaty of Versailles - and they jumped at the chance to restore their own humility and find someone to blame for their troubles without questioning the ethics or morality of what they were being asked to do,

They were pawns in his psychopathic fantasies and justifications - he didn't care about the people - he just made them believe he did to fulfill his own goals and they followed them blindly because they too were interetysed only in teir own agendas - and hitler delivered them the coat tails to latch onto

as i said - self maximizing imperialistic condiments - pawns to help something become more palatable and implementable - expendable pawns in a game for an agenda of power and the human race, in general is no different today - we're all just after what we can get for ourselves - be damned about anyone else - as long as I'm alright jack - then the rest of the world don't matter.

Learn from history???? Pffft - we just get to call it a different name - then it was politics disguised as war - the players are different and the weapons have changed - but history just keeps on perpetuating itself.

[*crikey*mate*]

let's skip NBN and have more USELESS Telltale Wireless shall we? 

read someplace, some clown reckons that amateur (ham) radio is a better choice, than the nbn.

fair dinkum  

B-)    

what's your callsign?

[crystal-gems]

This thread sure has gone off topic........so I shall put my own oar in......

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country

 .........Hermann Goering

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Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

..........Shakespear’s  Julius Caesar.

[poddster]

Oh what a lovely lead in!!

Thank you 🙂

Beware!!! The Ides of MRRTch. B-)