Are you prepared to work until you are 70?

[i-need-a-martini]

There is no way I will be. I am not planning to work beyond 55!

But it won't affect people like me will it? I have my own plans and they will be self funded.

So once again, it will be those less fortunate and less able to take care of themselves who will suffer.

[donnashuggy]

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@diamond-halo wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

Yeah, I get that scenario. My OH is basically a waiter, so whilst rough work, not in the same league as a labourer, but he's pretty much done now at 52. He's a fit boy, but his body is wearing out.

well imagine if he HAD to work till seventy

people get tired you know

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Yeah, as I said there are exceptions, there will always be exceptions.

He's semi retired now, and looking to use the skills he has in a different manner.

No different to what I'm doing really, originally a chef, no way I could go back to that now or do it until I was 60. so change tack is in order.

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What would you suggest to someone who has been cleaning toilets all their life at the airport? Wait for an ap to do it for them?

[i-need-a-martini]

Did Packer and Rinehart "get themselves to a position to earn more"?

Regardless, why should someone earning $180,000 be paying the same taxes as a CEO who earns $8mill plus another $10 in bonuses? How does someone "earn" $8mill?

[i-need-a-martini]

Apparently they should have thought about it when they first made the career choice of 'toilet cleaner'.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@diamond-halo wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@diamond-halo wrote:

Nah, it's not a good thing, I get that, especially for those in hard labour kinds of jobs, but hopefully as time passes and society changes those kinds of jobs will largely phase out and people will drift towards more long term sustainable employment.

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How do you 'phase out' what a brickie does? Or a plumber? Or a hairdresser? Or a farmhand? Or a restaurant dishwasher? Or a nanny? Or a taxi driver? Or a labourer? Or a boilermaker? 

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Train them to own the business, then they get yopunger more agile people to supply the braun whilst they switch over to more administration type jobs.

Off shoot specialties that still use the same skills, ones where the basic skills and knowledge are needed.

see, for every negative you throw up, I can find a positive solution, but your mind is not open enough to explore the possibilities. It won't be immediate and there will be short term collateral damage, but over time, societal thinking will change and adapt.

You say "what about the poor labourer" I say "what about the person who doesn't want to retire, the person who wants to earn more than his pension"

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You are confusing your family with a family that doesn't have the same advantages or support.

I KNOW that YOUR children will be fine. I KNOW that MY children will be fine.

I also KNOW that not all children have the same opportunities as ours do. It's not a case of "opening my mind". It's a case of understanding what happens to those less fortunate.

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My father was a butcher from a poor family. He worked his way through.

My mother's father was a logger, he too managed to work his way through.

bioth men largely uneducated.

many more examples

It's amazing just what people can acheive when they put their minds to it.

Look at the "opportunities" the founder of The Oaks Group had. Look at the "opportunities" his 15 year old single mother sister had.

meh....

people will always rise to expectations, it just depends which ones they are set as to how far they will go.

[chuk_77]

my god, this thread has me shaking my head. Some people have absolutely no idea how the real world operates. Some of you need to get out and actually see how the real world with the real jobs that some wont lower themselves to do but otherds do to make ends meet....just.

Who will pay for the re training into the cushy sit on your bum all day and get paid type of jobs? 

How do you go from a brickie labourer to a judge, who pays for it? because I can tell you the realitiy is the brickie cant afford to be a judge and still make ends meet. But the expectation is there so how in reality can it happen?

[*crikey*mate*]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

i don't think Abbotts PPL scheme will get up. many in his own ranks dont want it , let alone the IPA and the electorate.

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It would take a lot of balls to introduce this, eh?

It would be career suicide for whoever does.

[serendipityricho]

Im 67-still working full time -sometimes i enjoy the work

but then main reason is-i need to eat  and pay rent etc..................Richo.

[donnashuggy]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Apparently they should have thought about it when they first made the career choice of 'toilet cleaner'.

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So we can expect filthy airports, I can't wait till my garbage magically disappears each week too!

My pet hate is when people are denigrated for their choice and often necessity to do whatever work they can.

Choice is a luxury not afforded to everyone.

[chuk_77]

Donna really summed it up here

Choice is a luxury not afforded to everyone.

[nero_bolt]

Labor supporters have very short memories

The decision to increase the pension age was taken in 2009 under Labor  to 67

Labor introduced changes in 2009 that will see the pension age rise from 65 to 67 between 2017 and 2023.

The official retirement age will rise from 65 years to 67. No-one in Australia will be able to access the age pension until they have celebrated their 67th birthday.

The age of 67 is hardly a milestone these days. When the age pension was introduced in the first decade of the 20th century, for many people their 65th year coincided with the unhappy event of their death. Plenty had already dropped off the perch before then.