At what point do you think People

[softail-joanie]

Can be trusted to govern their own lives. This is a topic about humanity. I want to explore the idea that we as a human race, are ready to shed government and athority. Or if not now, then when? At what point can we be evolved enough as humanity to no longer need this system that has a strangle hold on it's subjects and is pulling them down,   Heres a modern day MLK

Is government ethical?- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ObiA046Bew  This is good stuff

Ventura vs Kokesh on government- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu5TrctGWo

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Against the law to wash your car- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYLWQ45BsN0

This is not official yet, but my sources say the camera guy's friend has turned state's evidence against him, and he spilled the beans. It was a classic move, he was facing life in prison possibly for being an accomplice. They pulled the CCTV files from a WalMart in the area, and it clearly shows the friend buying Turtle Wax, Armor All, and Wesley's Blechewhite for the white walls. They had him dead to rights, he had no choice. It is nice to see the police dismantling these car wash gangs from the inside. To correct one guy who earlier said "OSS is operation safe streets" No, it isn't, not here anyway. OSS in NY is Operation Soap Suds.

Garage sale raid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5OFOvKLyM

Second thoughts- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8plTHHavVs

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[the_great_she_elephant]

I want to explore the idea that we as a human race, are ready to shed government and athority. Or if not now, then when?

Explore away, but I think you'll find the answer is not while our collective a**es point to the ground.

What you are advocating is anarchy and while it might be a lovely ideal,  in practice it doesn't work any better than Communism. In order for society to flourish without rules - and the enforcement of those rules - society as a whole would have to agree on what taxes  to pay, what schools hospitals, roads, etc to build and the 'haves' would have to agree to share some of their wealth with the 'have nots. Human nature being what it is, I can't see that happening any time soon.

[fourandsixpants]

aps said: We do need some sort of Government, otherwise you would have anarchy 

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......yeah! That's what anarchists are about!....anti-government .....*Doh!

We are continually brow beaten into believing that we need this crooked, self-serving lot to 'rule' us.   *PPpppppffffft

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

aps said: We do need some sort of Government, otherwise you would have anarchy 

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......yeah! That's what anarchists are about!....anti-government .....*Doh!

We are continually brow beaten into believing that we need this crooked, self-serving lot to 'rule' us.   *PPpppppffffft

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So do you believe anarchy works in practice as well as in theory?

[aps1080]

So tell me paint, what would you do if someone decided in this newly created anarchy state of yours that they

didn't like you and your family and decided to kill you all and take your food and posessions and possibly

live in your house ?

What would you do ?

Remember, their is no police or anyone to come and help you.

[fourandsixpants]

Well in your 'story' I and my family are already dead. So I would not be able to do much would I you silly person......

[fourandsixpants]

Upgrade security and take precautions. Not too concerned if no police to call.....there are not enough on duty now LOL

[lal-au0]

i can see your point you living in the USA.

it's the stuff of nightmares but be assured that it is not like that in the rest of the world.

there are a few countries where there is civilisation.

try france, canada, germany or denmark. if you can stand the cold weather denmark or sweden would be perfect for you. or poland.

the US is extreme in many aspects, do not think this is normal. it's sick and there are many countries that are very different.

[black*poppy]

I dunno. I like hospitals when i need one. I like roads and i like rules about roads so they are safe to use. I like that my kids go to school and learn stuff. I like having my bins collected. Who would do all that without government?

The whole topic is a fallacy. 'Evolved enough to shed govt'. Why is it assumed that being more evolved means no govt? I always thought stable society was a marker of positive evolution of human civilization. It is fairly new after all. I assume that while large populations live together in a society there will always be a need for rules and organization.

I guess when we blow ourselves up and the survivors go back to living in tribes then we won't need government.

[lal-au0]

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@black*poppy wrote:
I dunno. I like hospitals when i need one. I like roads and i like rules about roads so they are safe to use. I like that my kids go to school and learn stuff. I like having my bins collected. Who would do all that without government?

The whole topic is a fallacy. 'Evolved enough to shed govt'. Why is it assumed that being more evolved means no govt? I always thought stable society was a marker of positive evolution of human civilization. It is fairly new after all. I assume that while large populations live together in a society there will always be a need for rules and organization.

I guess when we blow ourselves up and the survivors go back to living in tribes then we won't need government.

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aahhh you see softail is from the US. they don't have a cilvilisation but live in a barbaric state where everyone carries a club gun to assert their superiority....

imagine it like europe 30 000 years ago when the one with the biggest gun club rules.

[goldenjet16]

"aahhh you see softail is from the US. they don't have a cilvilisation but live in a barbaric state "where everyone carries a club gun" to assert their superiority...."

Very foolish statement!