Aussie dole bludgers too lazy to Work

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Job snobs: Aussie dole bludgers too lazy to pick up $250 a day picking fruit

 

 

YOUNG, jobless Aussies are lazy and unwilling to break their welfare dependence, ­according to leading wine producers and citrus growers who are becoming ever more reliant on backpackers to stay in operation

 

Despite an urgent need for unskilled workers, regional Australia is struggling to ­attract young people from the city despite youth unemployment in Western Sydney peaking at 17 per cent, forcing growers in the nation’s food bowls to look overseas.

 

Wine growers in the Hunter Valley who still rely heavily on fruit pickers, claim there has been no interest from ­unemployed youth in Sydney to earn easy cash — up to $250 a day — picking grapes, as the region prepares for today’s official start of the 2015 harvest.

 

So it is backpackers or bust, with several operators claiming without the injection of foreign workers, many wine producers in the Hunter Valley would cease to exist.

 

‘‘We would probably be stuffed without them. The problem is, our unemployed don’t have to work, it’s too easy for them, plus a lot of them come with baggage; real problems,’’ winemaker and former chairman of the Hunter Valley Wine Industry Association’s viticulture committee Ken Bray said.

 

‘‘They are too reliant on welfare and don’t want to go where the jobs are.’’

 

While most of Drayton Wines grapes are picked by a mechanical harvester, manager John Drayton said the winery still uses backpackers to pick from older vines.

 

He, like Andrew Pengilly from Tyrrells Wines, rarely gets ­interest from locals or those struggling to find work two hours away in Sydney.

 

 

 

‘‘Should unemployed youth be coming up here to pick? Well, I’m a bit old school. Yes of course. A lot of people are saying that up here,’’ Mr Drayton said.

 

‘‘But that is the feeling about the whole society. People are ­unwilling to work.”

 

Across the state’s Riverina, the food bowl of NSW, the need for unskilled workers continues undiminished, despite it qualifying for the Howard government initiative to give foreigners an ­extension to their working visa if they work three months in rural Australia.

 

While the need for workers grows, the appeal for ­unemployed city residents appears non-existent.

 

‘‘There are definitely a lot of opportunities in rural Australia, but it seems people think the change would be too stressful.

 

“We don’t have fast food joints open 24 hours a day, or big shopping centres,’’ Griffith orange grower Vito Mancini said.

 

‘‘Just come out for a month, try it out. Don’t say there is no work about, because there is plenty.’’

 

Fellow Griffith farmer David Dissegna said: ‘‘The unemployed don’t want to do this kind of work. We would be in dire straits without foreign workers.’’

 

Fruit growers are not the only business owners lobbying the government to relax 417 visa restrictions, ahead of the tabling of the Northern Australia Development whitepaper next month.

 

In regional Queensland backpackers are keeping towns afloat.

 

‘‘We’ll give a job to anyone who’ll pull on a pair of work boots and have a go,’’ McKinley roadhouse owner Aidan Day, 65, said.

 

The number of working holiday visas has grown by a third since 2008 and visas for 18-to-30-year-olds are being fast-tracked to 48 hours.

 

 BACKPACKERS UP FOR HARD WORK IN OZ

 

 

 

IN Germany Denny Spaeth sits ­behind a desk working in a car manufacturing plant, but in ­Australia he is a man of the land, driving a forklift and heaving ­pumpkins out of the ground.

 

Mr Spaeth and girlfriend Jennifer Herde, a kindergarten teacher, are among the flood of European backpackers who earn travelling money working as fruitpickers. They are not afraid of a hard day’s work.

 

The couple arrived in Australia in August and worked for two months in Ayr, near Townsville, picking pumpkins, watermelons and squash. Mr Spaeth was able to earn $23 an hour driving a forklift.

 

The couple will spend the next month pricking grapes in the ­Hunter Valley. Mr Spaeth said they had loved their time Down Under and working on farms was hard but satisfying work.

 

“It’s life experience. You learn a lot about yourself and it would not be bad for young people,” he said.

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/job-snobs-aussie-dole-bludgers-too-lazy-to-pick-up-250-a-d...

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Much easier to be an unskilled worker brought in from another country or a backpacker, working to earn travel funds as opposed to a person on centrelink looking for work.............. take that 2 + hour travel fruit picking job, no transport, pay for temp accommodation if you can get it, lose your permanent accommodation while you are gone and pay for storage of your belongings?

If you have a child or 2, no child care, no suitable accomodation etc.

Oh yes, really easy.

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@azureline** wrote:

Much easier to be an unskilled worker brought in from another country or a backpacker, working to earn travel funds as opposed to a person on centrelink looking for work.............. take that 2 + hour travel fruit picking job, no transport, pay for temp accommodation if you can get it, lose your permanent accommodation while you are gone and pay for storage of your belongings?

If you have a child or 2, no child care, no suitable accomodation etc.

Oh yes, really easy.


There are plenty of young unattached people who could do it though.

 

If the farmers could organise or help with transport and provide accommodation, like the shearer's sheds for example, that would help, I think.

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Why would a German licence be valid here? If it was his second visit to Australia he is not allowed to work here legally.
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@wilk1149 wrote:
Has anyone here ever actually worked fir piece rate. I have many times and it is very hard to make money at a consist rate. Especially for weeks on end. Injury is inevitable. Most particularly repetitive strain. This is often really prevalent fir those that are new at the job. These jobs are many kilometres from home requiring accommodation costs to be met on top of paying a mortgage and all the other bills at home. All I have to show for years of working piece rate is a credit card bill I can't afford to pay now

I have done a few bits of piece rate work and agree with what you've said.  It is the pits.  Sleeping rough, showering rough, take-away food, no fires allowed in fire season, days off when the weather is bad or there is nothing to pick for the day.  They generally use a couple of extremely fast pickers to average out when determining fair rates per hour so that when the average person picks they end up with a half days fair pay for a full days work.

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Unless Centrelink have changed their rules recently,anyone wanting to travel to harvest fruit,has to pay their own way to get to the work.Sydney to Mildura will cost you about $200.If you're a late teen,that's probably your whole Centrelink payment for a fortnight.
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Car and rider ( motorcycle, scooter) licence recognised. Not forklift. In NSW, you must get a NSW drivers licence if living here for more than 3 months.

Recognised Country A: If you hold a licence from one of these countries, you do not have to pass knowledge and driving tests when applying for a NSW car (class C) or rider (class R) licence:

Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Canada, Croatia, Denmark
Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guernsey
Ireland, Isle of Man (licences issued since 1 April 1991), Italy, Japan, Jersey, Luxembourg
Malta (licences issued or renewed since 2 January 2004), Netherlands, New Zealand, (except for paper licences), Norway, Portugal
Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States of America

Forklift licence (NSW)
1 Day course is $450.00 + the WorkSafe licence fee
2 Day course is $550.00 + the WorkSafe licence fee

Temporary fruit picking jobs are not a solution to getting unemployed persons into full time jobs. Seasonal, part time - only a few months a year. Backpackers are on the move, no permanent residence, they can move easily from one job to another in different areas.
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@downeyas wrote:

 

I hated it, haven't eaten grapes since - that was back in 1970/71 - no welfare then & I was sleeping in my beat-up old car (that's another story lol)

 


You should feel proud about sleeping/living in a car. Our very own Kevin Rudd spent part of his youth living in a car. He enjoyed the opulence of the back seat of a beat up FJ Holden. He went on to bigger and better things. Speaking of opulence...Kevin had to endure the oppresive flatulence that sometimes filled the air inside that FJ Holden but it made him a stronger person.

 

Chin up.

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Doesnt Mildura have unemployed people looking for work? Why the assumption that people would have to travel so far, surely there are enough unemployed people in regional areas to fill the need.

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Some farmers have a tendency also to sack pickers after a day or two.That saves them having to pay super.Some again resort to downright exploitation.I helped a Swedish girl with some advice last year.She was working on a little resort island off the Qld coast.60 hours a week for $450 net. Her employer,a very rich husband and wife, ended up having to pay her around $10,000 in backpay.
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Mildura's not the work haven it used to be,punch drunk.A lot of the vineyards there went from dried fruit (hand picked) to wine grapes.Nearly all wine grapes are machine harvested.
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