on 04-12-2013 12:18 PM
A new report comparing Australian high school students with 65 other countries shows the nation is slipping further behind in maths and reading skills.
The 2012 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) measures the mathematics, reading and science skills of half a million 15-year-olds from around the world.
It found Australian teens placed equal 17th in maths, equal 10th in reading and equal 8th in science.
Asian countries like China, Singapore, Korea and Japan are pulling ahead of Australian students in maths and reading.
The results show Australian students are slipping in maths performance by about a half a year of schooling compared to 10 years ago.
ACER's director of educational monitoring and research, Dr Sue Thomson, says gender, Indigenous status and socio-economic status still divide student outcomes.
"Australia has slipped backwards to the type of gender disparity that was seen decades ago, and the performance scores of girls coupled with a number of particularly negative motivational attitudes puts Australia further away from providing all students with the same educational opportunities," Dr Thomson said.
Results back Government's plan to focus on teachers, says Pyne
Education Minister Christopher Pyne says Labor's education policies have been in place for most of the decade and they have now been shown as a spectacular failure.
"Today's report card shows that for all the billions spent on laptops and school halls, there is still no evidence of a lift in outcomes for students."
"Despite spending 44 per cent more on education funding over the past decade, results are still in decline.
"This clearly shows that more funding does not equate to better outcomes."
The Federal Government will go ahead with Labor's Gonski plan from next year but will only commit to four years of funding.
Mr Shorten says it needs to get on board for the full six years.
"It's time to implement Gonski in full. It's time to stop the political games and bandaid solutions and get on board giving the next generation of Australians the best start in life."
However:
Kevin Donnelly from the Education Standards Institute says he is not surprised by the results.
"We have in fact been in trouble, if you like, for many, many years.
"We have trouble with disruptive classrooms...[and] we don't allow our teachers to mentor one another and to help one another. In places like Singapore, they actually respect teachers, children respect teachers, they are well-resourced.
"They have a lot more time to learn from one another and to improve classroom practice."
He says the debate is not only about funding.
"Money is important, but it gets back to a rigorous curriculum, effective teaching practice, good teacher training - so there are a few things we can look at there."
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Good Old Labor, think if they throw enough (of the taxpayers) money at a problem, it will go away.
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on 05-12-2013 07:17 AM
What the article fails to show is the breakup of the OECD comparison. For example the maths results:
If you are in private school, then your maths score is in the top 5% of the world.
If you are in a public school, your maths result is sitting at 27th.
If you are an indigenous student, your maths result is 2 and a half years behind your peers.
English and science highlighted the same inconsistencies between geography and socioeconomics.
In fact the results back up quite strongly the results highlighted in Gonski.
on 05-12-2013 08:06 AM
@daydream**believer wrote:Why arnt kids made to repeat anymore.
Is this an Aus wide thing or just and Adelaide thing.
I know of quite a few students who should of repeated. The school advises the parents but in the end, the parents say yes or no.
There are kids here being put through to highschool who are just not ready. They are 2 or 3 years behind their peers.
I agree.
on 05-12-2013 08:21 AM
someone can't claim to 'put money back' if that money wasn't there in the first place (Christopher Pyne,Joe Hockey knew that and why...and when it was no longer in savings reserved for the NON signitories)
Claiming it was ripped out and they put it back in ....is a bs claim to try make themselves look good
The non signatories have now been rewarded :womanwink as they get the Federal dollars without obligations
....free money thrown at them
The State leaders must be happy now ......but the plan was there to help the children not just toss money at the States/Territories.
...The plan has been ripped out
05-12-2013 08:40 AM - edited 05-12-2013 08:41 AM
The $1.2 billion refers to additional funding Labor had offered under its schools funding model but which was not allocated because those states - led by conservative governments - had not signed up to the Gonski model.
The money will be found from within the federal education budget with the cuts to be revealed in the mid-year economic and fiscal statement.
"We have identified what we think are perfectly suitable savings that won't involve particular difficulties for parents, teachers, students and we'll be announcing those in the MYEFO statement in a week-or-so's time," Mr Abbott said
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-02/abbott-gonski/5129118
Just have to wait and see what they think perfectly suitable savings are.....from 'within' the education budget
on 05-12-2013 09:13 AM
@cherples wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:Why arnt kids made to repeat anymore.
Is this an Aus wide thing or just and Adelaide thing.
I know of quite a few students who should of repeated. The school advises the parents but in the end, the parents say yes or no.
There are kids here being put through to highschool who are just not ready. They are 2 or 3 years behind their peers.
What is to be acheived by keeping back those who are not academically talented?
I don't want kids who are "not up to standard" held back for 2 or 3 years of grade 6 with my kids thank you.
Surely it would be best to deal with their learning issues in age appropriate environments. Not everyone is gifted academically. Some are never going to be good at spelling. They might grow up to be the best bricklayer, plumber or landscaper in town unless of course we train them to think they are stupid by making them repeat, repeat, repeat years at school.
Im not talking about kids that do their best but fall behind. Those children should be supported and have extra help
Im talking about the kids who can do the work, but dont. They dont do the class work, the homework or the assignments. Those kids should fail and have to repeat.
A girl in my daughters class had 68 days off in term 1 and 2 and has only been to school 12 days of terms 3 and 4. Why? She just cant be bothered to go and her Mum cant be bothered to make her.
Yes, the school has reported her but nothing gets done.
Her Mum was advised that it would be best for her to repeat, but Mum said no to that.
She will be graduating primary school next week and heading to high school next year.
on 05-12-2013 09:40 AM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:What the article fails to show is the breakup of the OECD comparison. For example the maths results:
If you are in private school, then your maths score is in the top 5% of the world.
If you are in a public school, your maths result is sitting at 27th.
If you are an indigenous student, your maths result is 2 and a half years behind your peers.
English and science highlighted the same inconsistencies between geography and socioeconomics.
In fact the results back up quite strongly the results highlighted in Gonski.
Exactly.
05-12-2013 10:21 AM - edited 05-12-2013 10:25 AM
It's an attitude.......but money helps!.....so STOP cutting back on funding for education.
It's the constant 'changing' of curriculums and methods - usu. done to justify the need for the 'silver city' educator staff positions.
It's partly the standard of teaching staff ......even more salary increases req'd to tempt the intelligent to enter education careers.
There are not enough male teachers.
Get rid of the Westminster system and the American systems .....get curriculi (?) that produces great results and are relevant to our children's needs for their futures......
Get phonics learning back into early childhood classes.
Get rid of 'NAPLAN' and reintroduce School Inspector system or similar.
The Three 'R's'.....maybe not very original but very effective i.e. concentrate on Reading Writing and Arithmetic. Worked before!
Ban the use of computers during English and Maths classes, use of pen/pencils on paper and blackboard only. Radical but will work if use materials like play dough/plasticine, rods in maths.....clay even esp in Junior primary.....get the children to "understand' the concepts.....so they NEVER fall behind is the key in maths. It is black and white not grey matter.
Make it compulsory to use a dictionary, atlas, calculator...... every day.
......I could go on.
on 05-12-2013 11:45 AM
@daydream**believer wrote:
@cherples wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:Why arnt kids made to repeat anymore.
Is this an Aus wide thing or just and Adelaide thing.
I know of quite a few students who should of repeated. The school advises the parents but in the end, the parents say yes or no.
There are kids here being put through to highschool who are just not ready. They are 2 or 3 years behind their peers.
What is to be acheived by keeping back those who are not academically talented?
I don't want kids who are "not up to standard" held back for 2 or 3 years of grade 6 with my kids thank you.
Surely it would be best to deal with their learning issues in age appropriate environments. Not everyone is gifted academically. Some are never going to be good at spelling. They might grow up to be the best bricklayer, plumber or landscaper in town unless of course we train them to think they are stupid by making them repeat, repeat, repeat years at school.
Im not talking about kids that do their best but fall behind. Those children should be supported and have extra help
Im talking about the kids who can do the work, but dont. They dont do the class work, the homework or the assignments. Those kids should fail and have to repeat.
A girl in my daughters class had 68 days off in term 1 and 2 and has only been to school 12 days of terms 3 and 4. Why? She just cant be bothered to go and her Mum cant be bothered to make her.
Yes, the school has reported her but nothing gets done.
Her Mum was advised that it would be best for her to repeat, but Mum said no to that.
She will be graduating primary school next week and heading to high school next year.
How would you have liked it if these kids were kept back and you found your daughter had 3 or 4 13 year olds in her class?
on 05-12-2013 12:01 PM
@cherples wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:
@cherples wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:Why arnt kids made to repeat anymore.
Is this an Aus wide thing or just and Adelaide thing.
I know of quite a few students who should of repeated. The school advises the parents but in the end, the parents say yes or no.
There are kids here being put through to highschool who are just not ready. They are 2 or 3 years behind their peers.
What is to be acheived by keeping back those who are not academically talented?
I don't want kids who are "not up to standard" held back for 2 or 3 years of grade 6 with my kids thank you.
Surely it would be best to deal with their learning issues in age appropriate environments. Not everyone is gifted academically. Some are never going to be good at spelling. They might grow up to be the best bricklayer, plumber or landscaper in town unless of course we train them to think they are stupid by making them repeat, repeat, repeat years at school.
Im not talking about kids that do their best but fall behind. Those children should be supported and have extra help
Im talking about the kids who can do the work, but dont. They dont do the class work, the homework or the assignments. Those kids should fail and have to repeat.
A girl in my daughters class had 68 days off in term 1 and 2 and has only been to school 12 days of terms 3 and 4. Why? She just cant be bothered to go and her Mum cant be bothered to make her.
Yes, the school has reported her but nothing gets done.
Her Mum was advised that it would be best for her to repeat, but Mum said no to that.
She will be graduating primary school next week and heading to high school next year.
How would you have liked it if these kids were kept back and you found your daughter had 3 or 4 13 year olds in her class?
It happened when i was in school. A kid failed and they were kept back to repeat the year.
No big deal.
Why are kids constantly rewarded and praised at school now?
Cant give F's out anymore cause that will make a kid feel bad.
Cant give the smart kids harder work because that will make the other kids feel bad.
Cant keep a kid back a year, even though they have done no work through the current year, cause that will make them feel bad.
on 05-12-2013 12:10 PM
it still happens DDB .Not as often as it once might have. I tend to think that there is more of a get them out of here attitude now rather than perhaps what might be best for THAT individual child.It can be helpful imo where a child is a little bit behind in one way or another..especially in the early years of school.One of mine repeated kindergarten and another a higher year the year after his Father died.I hope that no one in that class or their parents minded him doing so.