13-08-2015 09:20 AM - edited 13-08-2015 09:20 AM
This is horrific for the innocent people who have been targeted by the radical Islamic terror group ISIL.
When Tony Abbott said "they are coming for us" he was vilified by the left, accused of fear mongering and dishonest.
What a lot of left commentators and left wing media will not acknowledge is the PM is in receipt of all security briefings and is warning us, as he should.
This hit list on innocent Australians walking down the street or going about their business has been put on a hit list to be executed by radial Islamic terror adherents.
on 13-08-2015 01:15 PM
on 13-08-2015 02:12 PM
@opmania wrote:Do we really need to see a hit list
To know that every non Muslim in the
World is on it.
There is a new player on the world arena
And they are not taking hostages
Neither have they heard or care about
The Geneva convention
Be afraid be very afraid
And don't think that converting will save
The fence sitters amongst you
Convert and they will kill you anyway
Because this shows how weak you
Really are
I think everyone here accepts that the threat from Muslim extremistshere in Australia is very real and that we all need to be aware of it. Fortunately our intelligence service seems to be doing an excellent job in identifying and defusing those threats. So before we start getting hysterical about a prospective 'bloodbath' maybe we should ask ourselves the following questions.
In the past five year how many Australians have been killed by Muslim terrorists?
Over that same period how many have been killed by domestic violence?
How many have been killed in car accidents?
How many have been killed in "one punch" incidents?
Realistically, what are the comparitive figures likely to be over the next twelve months?
By all means let's be "alert but not alarmed" Any one of us is far more likely to be knocked down by a car, murdered by a vengeful ex or killed in a pub brawl or home invasion than slaughtered by Muslims
on 13-08-2015 02:22 PM
These are random acts of violence
You can justify Muslim extremists as much
As you like don't even dream that the problem
Will go away of its own accord or even
Lessen over time
That's just not going to happen
on 13-08-2015 02:46 PM
"I think everyone here accepts that the threat from Muslim extremistshere in Australia is very real and that we all need to be aware of it."
Really? I'll admit that i havent bothered coming on here much lately, but a few months ago there were many in denial there was any issue and that it was more a "lone wolf" problem
on 13-08-2015 02:51 PM
@opmania wrote:These are random acts of violence
You can justify Muslim extremists as much
As you like don't even dream that the problem
Will go away of its own accord or even
Lessen over time
That's just not going to happen
What part of "I think everyone here accepts that the threat from Muslim extremists here in Australia is very real and that we all need to be aware of it" did you not understand.
Of course the deaths I mentioned were random acts of violence - but are the victims any less dead, are there any less of them and should we be any less concerned about them because their deaths were not orchestrated by group of perpetrators?
And any acts of terror perpetrated by Muslim extremists here in Australia are also likely to be random acts, carried out either individually or by extremely small groups). ISIS is not planning to invade Australia - they have quite enough on their hands in the Middle East - and if they had a home grown 'Jihadi Army" here with even half the strength of the bikies or the Reclaim Australia movement you can be sure we would already have heard about it.
on 13-08-2015 03:01 PM
Give me every bike group
In Australia as apposed to 1
Jihadist
At least they have an honor
System that extends to all
Mankind not just their own
on 13-08-2015 03:08 PM
Its difficult to comprehend an opinion
When it waxes and wanes
As frequently as the tide
on 13-08-2015 03:35 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@opmania wrote:These are random acts of violence
You can justify Muslim extremists as much
As you like don't even dream that the problem
Will go away of its own accord or even
Lessen over time
That's just not going to happen
What part of "I think everyone here accepts that the threat from Muslim extremists here in Australia is very real and that we all need to be aware of it" did you not understand.
Of course the deaths I mentioned were random acts of violence - but are the victims any less dead, are there any less of them and should we be any less concerned about them because their deaths were not orchestrated by group of perpetrators?
And any acts of terror perpetrated by Muslim extremists here in Australia are also likely to be random acts, carried out either individually or by extremely small groups). ISIS is not planning to invade Australia - they have quite enough on their hands in the Middle East - and if they had a home grown 'Jihadi Army" here with even half the strength of the bikies or the Reclaim Australia movement you can be sure we would already have heard about it.
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The difference
Between reality and fiction
Is that you cannot make it
Up as you go and expect
Everyone will believe you
on 13-08-2015 03:55 PM
I have never been in denial
Alarm bells went off
When an early boat was full of
Fighting aged men
When detainees sewed
Their lips together
And set fire to the buildings
If you were a legitimate
Refuge with honorable intentions
Would you not understand that
The country that you had chosen
Might have Reservations about
Your intentions
on 13-08-2015 04:14 PM
@icyfroth wrote:Islamic State hackers have reportedly released the personal details of a Victorian MP, Australian Defence Force employees and their relatives, as well as some public servants and encouraged attacks on them.
The Victorian MP, who Fairfax declined to name, said he was worried about the welfare of his family and had contacted the parliamentarian security detail.
The release came from the so-called Islamic State Hacking Division, which included a spreadsheet of personal information including the credit card details of members from the US Air Force and Department of State.
I think once they really get going, we'll wish all we had to worry about is sharks.
I think the name Islamic State Hacking Division is a bit of a give away and a bit too obivious.It would not be the first time an international hacking group has used an offensive name like this to give it self a "reputation". Why not just call itself " Islamic State Hacking Division a subsidiary of wikileaks" . After all exposing and publishing personal information and exposing confidential and damaging information is a speciality of certain hacking groups