on 21-02-2014 06:52 PM
on 21-02-2014 08:56 PM
@donnashuggy wrote:It's pretty disturbing isn't it az
Yes, it is. I can't make any sense of it and I believe both Waleed Aly and Malcolm Fraser have summed it up well.
on 21-02-2014 09:16 PM
to no one in particular.
on 21-02-2014 09:21 PM
@azureline** wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:It's pretty disturbing isn't it az
Yes, it is. I can't make any sense of it and I believe both Waleed Aly and Malcolm Fraser have summed it up well.
Yes, they have.
Times have changed. There are so many more refugees now than there were decades ago. There are millions of displaced people looking for a future for their families. 20 years in an over crowded camp is not a very pleasant or safe environment for raising a family.
It's easy to see them as criminals but what would we do in the same position?
I mean now, in 2014, not 10, 20 or 40 years ago.
on 21-02-2014 09:24 PM
@poddster wrote:
@azureline** wrote:Have you given much thought to why you are so determined that asylum seekers don't deserve to seek asylum, to be cared for humanely?
Az, no where have I said that or implied it.
As i have stated previously on many occasions , what i object to is the forceful unlawful method of entry.
There are proper channels for application for refugee status, a lot of people have done that and are waiting to be assessed.
Some have chosen to break Australian law and try to force their way in.
In my opinion, and i guess in the opinion of many others, Country invaders have broken the law anw that would render them ineligibl to be resettled in Australia
once more for those that weren't listening
“Asylum seekers who wish to seek protection in Australia should apply through the proper channels, rather than applying onshore.”
All human beings have a right to seek and enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution, which makes refugee protection a universal and global responsibility. As a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention and as a member of the international community, Australia shares in this responsibility. There is no reason why Australia should be exempt from receiving and processing onshore asylum claims while expecting other nations to fulfil this responsibility. As a developed nation with well-established systems for refugee status determination and strong settlement support infrastructure, Australia is well-placed to play a leading role in refugee protection, both within our region and at a global level.
Applying for protection onshore is not a means of bypassing the “proper channel” of applying for protection. In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin.count This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status onshore in another country. A person experiencing persecution who wished to seek protection in Australia could not, for example, apply for refugee status through the UNHCR office or the Australian consulate or embassy in their own country. They would have to travel to Australia and seek protection after arriving here.
A common misconception about refugee protection is that applying for resettlement from overseas is the “proper channel” for seeking protection. In fact, resettlement of refugees in third countries is the exception rather than the rule. In general, resettlement is only used as a solution for refugees in cases where it’s not possible for them to return home or settle permanently in the country where they first sought asylum. It’s not a matter of resettlement being the only “proper” channel through which to find protection – it’s simply a different solution based on different circumstances.
on 21-02-2014 09:37 PM
These are the LEGAL requirements without which entry into Australia us unlawful Travel documents required for all other travellers
All travellers other than Australian and New Zealand citizens need to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:
on 21-02-2014 09:42 PM
@poddster wrote:
@azureline** wrote:Have you given much thought to why you are so determined that asylum seekers don't deserve to seek asylum, to be cared for humanely?
Az, no where have I said that or implied it.
As i have stated previously on many occasions , what i object to is the forceful unlawful method of entry.
There are proper channels for application for refugee status, a lot of people have done that and are waiting to be assessed.
Some have chosen to break Australian law and try to force their way in.
In my opinion, and i guess in the opinion of many others, Country invaders have broken the law anw that would render them ineligibl to be resettled in Australia
lucky then that opinion is not law.
21-02-2014 09:53 PM - edited 21-02-2014 09:55 PM
Once more for those that were reading:
ABC FactCheck Sept 2013:
Is Scott Morrison correct on 'illegal entry' of people without a visa
Mr Morrison is correct.
"Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.
That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law."
References
Migration Act 1958
Migration Reform Act 1992
Migration Reform Bill 1992, Explanatory Memorandum
United Nations, Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, 1951
United Nations, Protocol against the Smuggling of Migrants, 2000
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21-02-2014 09:55 PM - edited 21-02-2014 09:57 PM
G4S - their contract on Manu Is. ends soon doesn't it? They don't have a good track record. 4th worst company in the world?
Serco? (who have the Nauru one) are taking over.
G4S
Failure to meet London 2012 Security Contract
On 12 July 2012 it was announced that 3,500 British troops would be deployed at the 2012 Summer Olympics due to a shortage of adequately trained G4S security staff, with Labour MP Keith Vaz claiming that, "G4S has let the country down and we have literally had to send in the troops.
Public Eye Award
G4S was one of the nominees for the 2013 Public Eye Award, a counter-event created by NGOs, which awards the worst company of the year.
Controversies:
Israel and Palestine
Wackenhut subsidiary
Death of Jimmy Mubenga
Unacceptable use of force by UK Border Agency
Fraud allegatsoin
South Africa Prison Accusation
on 21-02-2014 10:08 PM
@poddster wrote:These are the LEGAL requirements without which entry into Australia us unlawful Travel documents required for all other travellers
All travellers other than Australian and New Zealand citizens need to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:
- a valid passport or other acceptable travel document
- a valid visa or authority to enter Australia (including electronic visas)
- a completed and signed Incoming Passenger Card, including health and character declaration.
That applies to tourists, migrants with holiday or working visas and Australians (and NZ'ers living Aust) returning home from overseas trips, NZ'ers moving to Aust to live.
Do you expect all Asylum seekers to fly in on a commercial flight or sail in on a cruise or a merchant ship when they arrive in the country they are fleeing to?
on 21-02-2014 10:21 PM
serco aren't great either. It's beyond my apprehension that we are doing any of it at all, it will forever be part of our nations history just like the white australia policy is (part of our history), two big ugly blots, shameful.