Ballina Flouride Vote Has Experts Worried

Ballina will vote on Thursday on whether to reject fluoridation of its water supply. If it does, it will join nearby Lismore Council and 17 Queensland councils that have voted no to fluoride this year.

 

Children living in parts of northern NSW without fluoridation already have the worst teeth in the state. They have nearly double the number of decayed, missing and filled teeth compared with other children, according to the most recent dental health survey.



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Some anti-fluoride activists, such as Merilyn Haines, the president of Queenslanders for Safe Water Air and Food, argue that fluoride is a poison that is used as an insectide to kill roaches and ants.

But Ballina Council member Keith Williams, who proposed the motion, said he saw it as a human rights issue.

“I don't dispute the scientific evidence of dentistry that it prevents cavities, but I don't believe it is appropriate to add a medication to the water supply without everybody's consent.”


He does have a point there. There's something sinister about a government putting poison in your drinking water and telling the public it's for their own good.

 Still, I've been drinking flourodised water here in Sydney for years and it hasn't done me any harm, and I still have my own teeth, albeit with lots of fillings, lol.

 

Surely the rise in tooth decay in children in the last few decades can't be solely due to unflourodised bottled water!?

 

Are we taking into account that children are drinking more soft drinks and juices and less water than ever before? 

 

Should councils flourodise drinking water?

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I do not dispute sugar is bad for us....unfortuanately it's addictive. But we have the choice to consume sugar, choice is being taken away from those of us not wanting added fluorine in our water.


The only way to avoid eating sugar is to eat nothing but fresh vegetables & meat, and make your own bread.  Just about anything you get from supermarket has sugar.  So, NO we do not have much control of how much sugar we consume, and there is no filter we can buy to get the hidden sugar from out food.

 

But what I find puzzling that some people rather believe one discredited "scientist" rather than believe the majority. 

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You do know that many live by a simple diet, where no added sugar is consumed. No different to being a vegetarian, vegan, etc. There are plenty of choices out there of sugar free foods in the supermarket, it takes time to read and understand lables.  Once you apply yourself to the task it becomes easy.

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Let's have another look at the article that prompted this thread:

 

Ballina will vote on Thursday on whether to reject fluoridation of its water supply. If it does, it will join nearby Lismore Council and 17 Queensland councils that have voted no to fluoride this year.

Children living in parts of northern NSW without fluoridation already have the worst teeth in the state. They have nearly double the number of decayed, missing and filled teeth compared with other children, according to the most recent dental health survey.



Read more: Ballina Fluoride Vote

 

The state's chief medical officer, Dr Kerry Chant, travelled to Ballina this week to persuade counsellors to vote against the motion, arguing there was no scientific or health evidence to show fluoride had negative effects on health.

A decision not to proceed with water fluoridation would deny generations of Ballina residents what the survey described as one of the “most effective and socially equitable means of preventing tooth decay”.

 

Some anti-fluoride activists, such as Merilyn Haines, the president of Queenslanders for Safe Water Air and Food, argue that fluoride is a poison that is used as an insectide to kill roaches and ants.

 

But Ballina Council member Keith Williams, who proposed the motion, said he saw it as a human rights issue.

“I don't dispute the scientific evidence of dentistry that it prevents cavities, but I don't believe it is appropriate to add a medication to the water supply without everybody's consent.”

He said at least one-third of residents were opposed to fluoridation. “I think they have a right to clean, safe water that doesn't have it,” he said.

 

About 96 per cent of NSW has access to fluoridated water. For the past 10 years, anti-fluoride activists have used legal action to delay the introduction of fluoride in northern NSW by public utility Rous Water.

 

Rous services the northern NSW councils Lismore, Ballina, Byron Bay and the Richmond Valley. Byron Bay voted in 2007 not to add fluoride. In the past few years, it is estimated that the three other councils with NSW Health have spent nearly $500,000 fighting the legal action. They won on appeal, only to see Lismore nevertheless vote not to proceed.

 

Why are people so passionate about not wanting fluoride in their drinking water, do you think? They would go to such expense and effort to prevent it?

Are they just nutjobs and cranks, or are they simply informed about the real effects of flouride in drinking water?

 

Anti-fluoridation action has been spreading from Queensland south into NSW. Since Queensland Premier Campbell Newman's government overturned the previous government's decision to make fluoridation of the water supply compulsory, 17 councils, including Mt Isa and Rockhampton, have voted to either stop adding fluoride or have stopped moves to build fluoridation plants.

 

Why would that be?

 

The federal opposition's health spokesman, Dr Andrew McDonald, told ABC that the Lismore decision was “complete madness".

Members of both parties have called on the NSW government to make fluoridation compulsory. Currently, it is up to each council to decide, and then seek approval for its decision, or ask NSW Health to decide for it.

Dr McDonald called on the government to step in and take control of fluoridation.

 

Really? What's the government's stake in this?

 

"This is what happens when you give control of fluoridation to local councils,” he said.

Catherine Cusask, a Liberal MP who lives at Lennox Head on the north coast, has also been campaigning for the government to intervene. She urged NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner to intervene.

 

He wants the government to step in with big Jackboots?

 

“It is not just the right and decent thing to do – the message we send, by leaving Rous and Ballina in the lurch, is a huge setback and a disincentive to any other council considering fluoridation.

"It is time for NSW Health to get off the sidelines, to put its own skin in the game, and to assume control of fluoridation, as recommended in 2006.”

The general manager of Rous Water, Kym Lavelle, admitted Lismore Council's decision surprised him, given the resources committed to the building the new water treatment plants.

 

Some anti-fluoride activists argue that fluoridated toothpaste has removed the need for fluoridation of the water supply.

 

Especially since overseas countries have discontinued fluoridation of drinking water and can show no higher incidence of tooth decay and actually show a downward trend

 

But Dr Chant said research showed that fluoridation accounted for about 70 per cent of the decline in tooth decay, while fluoridated toothpaste had contributed about 25 per cent to the improvement.

 

Really? Has anyone done any research on her? I googled her and came up with nothing definitive.

And as someone said here yesterday, you can buy doctorates on the internet for $200 Would that be in AUD or USD?

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The majority of the people are happy to have fluoridated water. For the minority who don't like it .. drink bottled water (without added fluoridation) or get filters that will filter it out of your  home tap water... simple.

 

 

 

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Ballina Council voted FOR fluoridated water, what more can you say  than that? Not a faceless Govt a local council.

 

 

Currently, it is up to each council to decide, and then seek approval for its decision, or ask NSW Health to decide for it.

Dr McDonald called on the government to step in and take control of fluoridation.

 

I already posted that the Premier of NSW has no intention of making the State Govt take over the decisions about fluoridated water.

The Premier thinks that decision should still be made by the councils.

 

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The majority of the people are happy to have fluoridated water. For the minority who don't like it .. drink bottled water (without added fluoridation) or get filters that will filter it out of your  home tap water... simple.

 

 

 


It's not just about not drinking it....and why should we be out of pocket for buying bottle water? At present I am unable to afford another whole house filtration system...I wish I could.

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And as someone said here yesterday, you can buy doctorates on the internet for $200 Would that be in AUD or USD?

 

You can't expect people to take you seriously if you post a comment like that.

 

The original 'buy doctorates on the internet' comment was aimed at anti-fluoride people.. the so called 'experts' you are quoting.. they were the ones that comment was aimed at.

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councils are really not quailified to be making such decissions....take a look at the constant mistakes they make

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I think local councils are perfectly capable of deciding on issues such as these.. Would you prefer a faceless Govt deciding instead?

 

A minority of people don't want fluoridated water, they will not have enough influence to stop it, when the majority do want it, and that is how it should be.

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So if the majority wanted a road built through your house that's the way it should be? Sure, right.

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