Banging on and on about rights.......

[poddster]

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

[poddster]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

The only banging about anything is the OP who should be grateful that there are such things as human rights and UN refugee convention.  Who do you think gave him the right to sit in a foreign country for 8 years being supported by UN and taxpayers of that country until Australia rescued them.  Now he wants to deny people the same rights. 

These threads just show what sort of person some people are.

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Human rights?

Tell me Nova, what rights are bestowed on an entity just for the fact that they are human?

Bestowed by whom?

Are the "rights" bestowed equally on all humans?

After you have pondered those questions you might like to turn your attention to human responsibilities.

Is there such a thing as that?

Who dictates those responsibilities?

By what authority?

Nova may I suggest the you avail yourself of some knowledge of post war torn country history and the plight of the millions of displaced people. Displace people lived in abandoned buildings, under bridges in disused railway tunnels and anywhere they could find. No magical organization came to the aid of those people they had to fend for themselves in the early years.

By the way no one had the luxury of support from the UN. 

[poddster]

To those who are proclaiming their "rights" and demanding that they they are looked after by someone else.

Who are you going to make your demands to  in the event of the aftermath of war?

Will you survive if you are left to your own devices to fend for yourself?

If you have answered yes then why can't you do that now instead of relying on a hand out?

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

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Well, it's an interesting concept. 

No unemployment benefits - work or starve. Of course there aren't currently enough jobs to go round so we'd have to do something about that. I know, lets abolish the minimum wage, then more employers would be able to take on employees. No minimum wage and no dole would enable a race to the bottom for employers wanting to maximise profits. Eventually though it would become impossible to feed a family on one or even two wages.

We're already there. Families now can't manage without the wife going back to work the minute baby is old enough for daycare.

We've regressed. 30 years ago, it was within a working man's means to support a family and pay off a modest home with the wife and mother able to run the household and raise their children herself.

Oops! But wait! if we also lowered the school leaving age - we could abolish public high schools - then children could be sent out to work at age 12 and the Government would save millions on eduction. 

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[myoclon1cjerk]

So what should we do when disaster strikes a nation:war,natural disasters,famine,disease etc? Use the available means:the UN,NGO's etc,to help these people or let them fend for themselves because that's the way it was post-WWII? It amazes me that some,fortunate enough to escape the shackles of a totalitarian regime,become hardliners themselves when they migrate to a free and compassionate society.

[gleee58]

So get a time machine and do it all again. 

[donnashuggy]

Take it all with a grain of salt, his stories change all the time. Anyone that has paid taxes in their lifetime should also be looked after when they cannot find employment.

Education is probably the key to all these issues with people that choose to live on welfare. I acknowledge they exist.

[***super_nova***]

i actually know bit about that time  🙂

The United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA) was an international relief agency, operated in post war Europe until 1947. 

Considering that you claimed to be patiently waiting in a displaced persons camp for 8 years, which were run by UNRRA, you indeed would have been helped by the UN.  But there is just one little snag in your story; I do not think these camps kept people for 8 years.  People were being helped to be repatriated, or sent o/s pretty quickly.  By 1948 there was a new wave of refugees as people were escaping Hungary and Czechoslovakia as Moscow controlled governments were installed.  And then another wave of Hungarians after the 1956 revolution, and Czechs after the end of the Prague Spring  in 1968.

In any case, when UNRRA disbanded, their role was taken over by other UN agencies.  So, if you were in displaced persons camp or later in a refugee camp you were being supported by UN. 

[poddster]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Take it all with a grain of salt, his stories change all the time. Anyone that has paid taxes in their lifetime should also be looked after when they cannot find employment.

Education is probably the key to all these issues with people that choose to live on welfare. I acknowledge they exist.

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Under that theory Donna, what would you suggest for those who have been on welfare since day one, they have not paid a brass razoo in tax.
Donna, what I have recounted has not changed, ever, so it may be a good idea to show proof of what you claim to be changes.

[poddster]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Education is probably the key to all these issues with people that choose to live on welfare. I acknowledge they exist.

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Care to put a percentage on the ones that choose to live off welfare totally?

[poddster]

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@gleee58 wrote:

So get a time machine and do it all again. 

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A typical response from you Glee, right on cue.