on 26-01-2013 08:53 AM
Following on from the breastfeeding thread, I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.
At 46, I think I am possibly of the last generation that threw their bikini tops off as soon as they got to the beach. I still do it now on a quiet beach much to the horror of my 35 year old sister who comes from a more conservative generation.
Growing up on a Sydney beach it was normal to see bare boobs in the 70's, 80's and very early 90's. But then suddenly we had a big attitude shift - women couldn't go topless and men couldn't wear speedos without attracting sniggers.
But the question is: if we are becoming more self conscious and conservative about our breasts, then isn't it to be expected that we will have more issues with complaints when women breastfeed in public?
THERE was a time when skin was tanned and love was free and bare breasts dotted the sand as far as the eye could see.
Jo Slinkard's were among them. ''You would go to beaches and everybody would be topless so you went topless, it was the fashion,'' she says. ''I'm a '70s girl, we didn't care about showing off.''
Slinkard, now 60 and a nurse manager, still enjoys getting her kit off. Her daughter Jacqueline Stone, 25, would never dream of shedding her teeny blue bikini on Dee Why beach, where barely a bared boob can be seen.
Stone says she has too much ''self-worth'' to expose her nipples. Slinkard reckons she's just shy. ''It's just one of those things that are taboo,'' says human resources student Ceci Vazquez, 20, watching the waves in a black bikini top and bright pink bottoms.
It's a similar sign of the times down Sydney's coastline. On Bondi's south end, where monokinis were once the rage, nary a nipple is on show. Tamarama boasts a bounty of man boobs but few of the female persuasion.
Tanning on the sand is Cara Petrovski, 19, who will wear nothing less than her strapless brown and blue bikini. ''I like that bit of mystery, it's like saving yourself,'' she says. ''If I was in a private place, chilling by a pool, that would be fine. For me it is a respect thing: respecting your body and respecting everyone else around you.''
Clotilde Lienhart, 23 and a Hillsong volunteer, is all but topless in her barely there bikini. But modesty stops her short. ''It's something about the nipple. I would feel vulnerable. People are watching and I don't want to be seen like that,'' she says. ''It's a private area, I guess.''
It's as if covered nipples are a new show of chastity, says Associate Professor Gail Hawkes, a sexuality expert at the University of New England. ''Maybe this is a form of protecting your virginity. You keep your nipple private for your lover not the public.''
There is growing ''uneasiness about the public display of breasts'', she says, on beaches and at public pools, where TV host David Koch reckons breastfeeding women should be ''more discreet and modest''.
The Australian Nudist Federation sees something sinister at play. ''When breasts go away from our beaches there is something wrong with our society,'' said federation president Greg, who asked we not publish his surname for fear of embarrassing his 19-year-old daughter.
''This is a litmus test of the modern sickness of the society we live in, that it's either not trusting or not safe or not confident.''
He blames the nipple no-show on US network television, in which nudity is rare.
The Waverley mayor, Sally Betts, who recalls going topless on beaches in the 1970s, says young women today are more conservative and conscious of skin cancer. And yet many still sunbake in bikinis. Or dress provocatively on Friday nights in the city.
''It's a complete paradox,'' says a 48-year-old topless high school teacher on Dee Why beach, who does not want to be named. ''They don't go topless but they will wear G-strings in a second.''
On Tamarama, wearing a snug blue-and-white string bikini, Kelsey Martin, 23, says many young women are too insecure to drop their tops. ''I think it's a beautiful thing to be free and to feel naked but in our culture there is such a pressure to be perfect or to look a certain way that I don't think girls feel free,'' she says.
''I think tanning topless is so about body image and the way you see yourself.
''Everyone is beautiful, but people don't think that.''
on 26-01-2013 10:19 AM
Sun-baking may be a generational thing too ?I've never had the desire to sun-bake topless or to 'sun-bake' or to go topless myself.Even when I was growing up in the 70/80's people were becoming more skin cancer aware.When did those slip,slop,slap commercials start ?
Though I also remember some pretty skimpy crocheted (and other) bikinis worn by some when I was quite young.I remember my Father's Big M calender too ...
I watched some old films (recently put on disc) of my Grandfathers .There was some very short skirts and jackets worn at my Parent's wedding in the late 60's lol.
on 26-01-2013 10:21 AM
As martini said, I'm sure it has nothing to do with skin cancer awareness. Unless there is some particular exclusively nipple cancer I'm not aware of?
on 26-01-2013 10:22 AM
I can't speak for others Lurker.That's how I feel.:-)
on 26-01-2013 10:23 AM
so I probably shouldn't have guessed lol
will read the full article later on.That may help
on 26-01-2013 10:28 AM
As martini said, I'm sure it has nothing to do with skin cancer awareness. Unless there is some particular exclusively nipple cancer I'm not aware of?
Yes, Paget's disease.
I never had the urge to sunbathe as I have fair skin and always burned.......and I didn't want freckles.
on 26-01-2013 10:34 AM
oh, I did do a lot of skinny dipping though......
on 26-01-2013 10:36 AM
on 26-01-2013 10:55 AM
Come on people! Have you seen the size of the scaps of material young women are wearing as bikini tops these days, or the hours that they spend sun bathing? It is NOT fear of skin cancer that is causing them to remain covered.
on 26-01-2013 10:58 AM
depends on what you mean by equality........ I don't want equality at the beach :8}
Also depends on the definition of prudish... and modesty?
I neglected the laughing emoticon in my previous post.......
some people think being modest is prudish..... others think the opposite.
When I was young there was the argument if it's good for the boys it's good for the girls so a lot went topless :^O
on 26-01-2013 11:04 AM
Is it possible that the more we see the need to cover very young girls (aka no breasts ,just nipples...the same physical appearance as a young boys chest) ..the greater the message that it is the female nipples which are the sexual part ?