Bark control collars

[jessicadazzler97]

 If you search for a dog collar on eBay, you'll be bombarded by 'bark control collars'.

 Basically when the dog barks, an electronic shock is sent to the dog's neck that travels through their body.

 Most of these collars have bids on them. Does nobody know that these collars are so dangerous and so traumatic that they are close to being illegalized in some countries?

[tasfleur]

It's okay to disagree with me Jessica, and it's really nice that we can have these discussions xx

I have to say though, that in the wild (feral dogs) do live (and hunt) in packs, just like wolves do in their natural environment because I've seen them in Tasmania on the west coast.

Slightly off topic, on one trip to Alaska, we watched a pack of wolves playing on a frozen lake, sliding and skidding around just being silly and having fun ...

[tasfleur]

I am going to get hold of  Victoria Stilwell's book that you mention though and see what I can learn from that, as well as what I've learned from Cesar Milan ... thanks for mentioning it Jessica, I'm open to all ideas xx

[jessicadazzler97]

There ARE certain instances when dogs do congregate in large groups, but calling them a 'pack' is slightly unfair. I guess what I'm trying to get across is that because dogs and wolves do have differences in their behaviour and psychologies, it's not correct to call a large group of dogs a 'pack', because that term more accurately describes wolves. There are, undoubtedly, as you say, larger groups of dogs in the wild - usually they are either all related, or thry are wild dogs that have grouped together, finding safety in numbers.

Dog behaviour (and wolf behaviour, for that matter) is a fascinating subject, and everyone has different ideas and opinions. It's great that you want to give Victoria's book a try; the first section is pretty hard going (like I said in another post, she goes into A LOT of detail), but that's what makes it even more exciting, at least for me anyway! I really admire that you want to learn more and that's great, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you've finished it 🙂

[chuk_77]

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@jessicadazzler wrote:
You're not actually disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with canine psychology, so go ahead 🙂 Victoria Stilwell's book 'Train Your Dog Positively' explains dog behaviour much better (and in far, far greater detail) than I ever could, so give that a go 🙂

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umm no. Read my post. I am disagreeing with your post. Dogs in the suburbs would only roam on their own or with another as that is what most homes have. One or two dogs.

They dont go door knocking for other dogs to join in 

[*pepe]

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@jessicadazzler wrote:
There ARE certain instances when dogs do congregate in large groups, but calling them a 'pack' is slightly unfair. I guess what I'm trying to get across is that because dogs and wolves do have differences in their behaviour and psychologies, it's not correct to call a large group of dogs a 'pack', because that term more accurately describes wolves. There are, undoubtedly, as you say, larger groups of dogs in the wild - usually they are either all related, or thry are wild dogs that have grouped together, finding safety in numbers.

Dog behaviour (and wolf behaviour, for that matter) is a fascinating subject, and everyone has different ideas and opinions. It's great that you want to give Victoria's book a try; the first section is pretty hard going (like I said in another post, she goes into A LOT of detail), but that's what makes it even more exciting, at least for me anyway! I really admire that you want to learn more and that's great, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you've finished it 🙂

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a group of dogs is not referred to as a group of dogs, they are referred to as a PACK, whether they are a famiy or just joined together for convenience in hunting - its what many canines do when they get the chance - they join forces and form a PACK.

[chuk_77]

What are your qualifications, out of curiousity?

Are you repeating what you have heard said by people out to make money or do you actually have some form of qualification in animal psychology 

[jessicadazzler97]

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@chuk_77 wrote:

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@jessicadazzler wrote:
You're not actually disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with canine psychology, so go ahead 🙂 Victoria Stilwell's book 'Train Your Dog Positively' explains dog behaviour much better (and in far, far greater detail) than I ever could, so give that a go 🙂

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umm no. Read my post. I am disagreeing with your post. Dogs in the suburbs would only roam on their own or with another as that is what most homes have. One or two dogs.

They dont go door knocking for other dogs to join in 

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 I think you're getting canine psychology a little confused, chuk... if you google it, you will see that recent research has confirmed that if dogs were pack animals, they would congregate with dogs from other households to make a pack. The fact that they stay as one or two dogs has nothing to do with the fact that they might come from the same house; if you have six dogs and let them all roam the streets, very often they will not stay together as a pack.

 You're absolutely right, dogs don't go searching for other dogs to join in, but it's more to do with the fact that they are not wired that way.

[jessicadazzler97]

 If you don't already know, Tas will back me up to tell you that dogs are wonderful creatures. I'm 18 so I'm a bit young for a BA in canine psychology 😉 I used to use dominance and pack theory training methods with my three dogs, but quite frankly, it was making matters much worse. I started to discover positive reinforcement training, and I was blown away when I discovered that it's actually been proven that dogs are not pack animals.

You clearly are in favour of the pack theory, and that's fine with me, but if you're so sure about yourself, you'll also be willing to listen to other people's ideas. I really recommend Victoria's book, it's an amazing read, whether or not you have a dog. I couldn't possibly explain everything as well as she does, and btw, she has the evidence in the book that proves what I've been trying to say. So yeah, if you're interested in reading more about this kind of stuff, try reading it 🙂 When you've finished then we can talk some more 🙂

[jessicadazzler97]

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@tasfleur wrote:

It's okay to disagree with me Jessica, and it's really nice that we can have these discussions xx

I have to say though, that in the wild (feral dogs) do live (and hunt) in packs, just like wolves do in their natural environment because I've seen them in Tasmania on the west coast.

Slightly off topic, on one trip to Alaska, we watched a pack of wolves playing on a frozen lake, sliding and skidding around just being silly and having fun ...

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 Wolves are amazing... I absolutely love them. It's really interesting that dog breeds that resemble wolves more closely (Alaskan Malamutes, Siberian Huskies, and semi-wild dog breeds) mirror the behaviour of wolves more closely, because they're more directly descended from them. How cool is that?!

[jimmy*part4]

There's a little wolf in all of us.