on โ18-02-2015 08:42 AM
on โ18-02-2015 08:53 AM
The mind boggles as to where he get the comparison between the two crimes.
IMO they both should have jail sentences.
on โ18-02-2015 09:21 AM
here it is wilke
Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has hit out at the animal rights activists who have helped expose the evidence of live baiting, questioning whether they had broken the law to obtain the footage.
Mr Joyce said he was opposed to cruelty to animals, but said activists should not be trespassing onto private properties to secretly record vision.
"You cannot decide to take the law into your own hands," he said.
"Once you do that, once you make that exclusion, that apparently you can break the law for this person, then where does it stop?"
on โ18-02-2015 09:41 AM
I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?
Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.
How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?
Call the police and say they are doing it?
I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.
on โ18-02-2015 09:55 AM
on โ18-02-2015 10:01 AM
@wilk1149 wrote:
Claims trespassing is the same as live baiting of greyhounds. Trespassing does not entail a custodial sentence. No wonder he is a National. Obviously a brain isn't a requirement to be a National.
I like his views on this http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/18/frozen-berries-hepatitis-a-scare-barnaby-joyce...
on โ18-02-2015 10:12 AM
The Nationals claim to represent farmers and rural people. As a farmer I find some of these politicians quite embarrising. Sometimes its just best to shut up and say nothing.
The Nats are still upset from the Animal Liberation, four corners exposure of the mis-treatment of exported live cattle and sheep. The Labour parties populist, knee jerk reaction of placing immediate bans on live cattle exports caused huge problems as the cattle simply banked up on farms as there was no longer a market for them. ( there is not the abattoir space in northern Australia to process them there. ) This coincided with a severe drought meaning there was no feed for many of the stock and caused an enormous animal welfare issue here on Australian soil and sent many farmers broke. It was another forgotten, huge Labour Party mess created by knee jerk, populist policy in response to media, without any thought at all for the concequences and is a great example of policy on the run at its worst. ( rant over )
As a farmer I have actually been on a tour of one of the live shipping boats as it was loading and have to say I was supprised that it was not too bad at all. ( I was expecting it to be fairly unpleasant, based on media reports ) . That does not mean I support the live export trade. We have very little control over the stock once they reach foriegn countries and many of these places are fairly barbaric in their attitudes towards animals. Like so many others I was appalled at the images presented in the four corners programme and cant see why we cant process the stock in Australia, ensuring it is done humanely and providing jobs for Australians . The religous ( Halal ) concerns can be accomodated as some local abbitours are already Halal certified.
As for the live baiting in the greyhound industry........
As a child I grew up near a small country town coursing paddock. Greyhounds where released to chase live rabbits around the paddock untill they where caught. ( they did use muzzles so that the rabbits where usually unharmed, but no doubt traumatised.) This was in the 1960,s and the club closed down in the early 1970,s due to changes in peoples attitudes and the realisation that chasing and killing live rabbits with dogs for fun was inhumane and unacceptable. It seems many in the greyhound industry are still stuck in the 1960,s. and completely out of step with the modern communities views on the treatment of animals.
Another big concern that the four corners programme raised was the extent of the corruption within greyhound racing, where the illegal and barbaric training teqniques where accepted and hidden at the highest levels of the industry and included people who had responsibility for policing such practices.
As a farmer I have to say that I support most of the campaigns that Animal Liberation run as I dont want to see stock that I have raised and cared for mistreated and abused.
on โ18-02-2015 10:13 AM
@azureline** wrote:I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?
Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.
How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?
Call the police and say they are doing it?
I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.
Az, it also says in that article, that coplaints have been made and ignored in the past. filming them is the only way imo, despite Barnaby Joyce's complaints about 'trespassing"
Accusations authorities failed to act on complaints .
โ18-02-2015 11:33 AM - edited โ18-02-2015 11:34 AM
Barnaby Joyce is a **bleep** with a D (edit: that bleep was the correct terminology for the male genitalia)
bit hard to buy australian produced food when he is letting good agricultural land go to the mines. There is an organic farmer down the road from me and adjacent to the proposed coal mine. He is worried he won't have organic certificaton when the blasting dust containing chemicals from the explosives will fall on his crops and contamiate the livestock water. Worst Agricultural minister ever
It seems the law protects the baddies and lawyers will back them up and sue the righteous. Remember that bloke that broke into someones house and their dog attacked him. He sued them for causing him stress and trauma or some nonesense. Maybe the owners belted him one, I can't remember now, I just remember being gobsmacked that some lawyer would actually take his case and sue the homeowners.
Who do you turn to when the law won't help you, when you're government won't help you
Maybe PETA can help with the greyhound industry.
on โ18-02-2015 11:57 AM
To Bananaby Joyce it's all a game.
He doesn't seem to reconcile the political game he plays with the impact on the everyday lives of the people who vote.
Instead of finding out why Tony Windsor stuck with the previous govt instead of creating a new one with abbott as PM he just went on the attack and vowed to move into Windsor's seat to oust him.
He is red faced drunken disgrace who doesn't really give a toss about his constituents.