24-11-2013 06:35 PM - edited 24-11-2013 06:38 PM
on 25-11-2013 01:16 PM
on 25-11-2013 02:11 PM
Good post earlier Karen.
on 25-11-2013 02:26 PM
Erm...you were waiting on a response from what questions, Karen?
I did scroll back to see if I'd missed them but found none.
Would you mind repeating them please?
on 25-11-2013 02:27 PM
on 25-11-2013 02:45 PM
@poddster wrote:Az, tell me why the Pm should apologise for something that he was not responsible for?
Also an apology is as good as an admission of quilt that could and would be used against Australia in the future. So far there is only the allegation from Snowden.
All this righteous indignation on the part of Indonesia is just saber rattling and an excuse of shirking any responsibility in the people smuggling industry, yes industry, a primary one at that and a further attempt at carving out a larger slice of aid dollars
I think this is a stupid quention.
Our PM's do not speak only for themselves...we elect them and pay them to speak for us and our Country.
It's part of the job
Apologies have been made to The Stolen generations....
Our PM who made the apologies on behalf of this Country did not need to be there or take part in it.
If some feel he isn't up to the task of being our PM I have to wonder why they elected him.
on 25-11-2013 03:23 PM
@just_me_karen wrote:
I suppose you'd need to empathise with how the Indonesians feel. Imagine thousands of people came to Australia, with valid papers (tourist visas, for example) with the intention of eventually catching a boat to New Zealand.
Do you think the Australian community would be satisfied having our police force busy with this NZ problem, while they neglected local crimes?
I think, in your hypothetical example, the Australian community should have every expectation of their politicians to give assistance and support to the NZ government to combat the problem, and would expect the NZ government to do everything at their end to stem the flow also. Keeping in mind that NZ was supporting us financially for decades and with personnell training to maintain an increased and adequate police presence.
Do you think people would be happy to have our gaols full of people who our police had caught getting on boats to NZ?
Absolutely not. However, if they're entering our country with a view to using us as stepping stone, I'd be expecting our government to put out some sort of deterrent in place without shoving all responsibility on to NZ. It's not as if NZ is inviting them in.
What do you think our community would think about these people adding to the crime rates because their tourist visa doesn't allow them to work...and for those who do work illegally, do you think Australians would complain about jobs being taken?
I think they'd be cranky as all get out, but I don't think they'd be burning any NZ flags about it. I think with all historical co-operation and certainly with a treaty in place, most Australians would look to their government to put their shoulder to the wheel to help solve the problem.
It wouldn't matter how much money NZ gave us to deal with "their" problem, I doubt australians would be happy with the situation.....especially if the NZ prime minister spoke arrogantly to us and locked our journos out of press conferences.
That's true, however, if my country embarrassed the other so badly by refusing to come to the rescue of boats floundering in our own waters and forcing their navy to come and get them, I'd consider that pretty fair payback.
I'm flattered your'e interested in my opinions
on 25-11-2013 03:24 PM
@just_me_karen wrote:
Icy, no response to my questions? Not that it's essential 😄 but I am curious about your opinions.
Oh sorry I didn't snap to attention there I was away from my computer while at lunch
on 25-11-2013 04:20 PM
on 25-11-2013 04:25 PM
@just_me_karen wrote:
It was posted yesterday, icy, so no need to infer I was expecting an immediate response.
Ah yes, so it was. My apologies, I totally overlooked it. I don't like to keep people hanging for an answer, as a rule.
And yes, I am interested in your opinions. I'm interested in everyone's opinions...it doesn't mean I have to agree with them, but I do enjoy seeing how different types of opinions are formed.
Thank you.
on 25-11-2013 09:45 PM
@poddster wrote:Az, tell me why the Pm should apologise for something that he was not responsible for?
Also an apology is as good as an admission of quilt that could and would be used against Australia in the future. So far there is only the allegation from Snowden.
All this righteous indignation on the part of Indonesia is just saber rattling and an excuse of shirking any responsibility in the people smuggling industry, yes industry, a primary one at that and a further attempt at carving out a larger slice of aid dollars
Hmmm, because that is what a PM or leader does.
Much like the Military blame always went up to the commanding officer or officer in charge of each brigade and or unit.
That is part of being a leader in the military and it should be applied the same in the Government because this is a military issue.
It is not all fun and games as PM.
If the shoe was on the other foot would you be asking indonesia for an apology?