Bill Shorten Seems a Nice Man

[icyfroth]

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[icyfroth]

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@azureline** wrote:

The Indonesians think he should...................

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The Indons are just chucking a tanty because they've been caught out in their duplicity with regard to helping Australia stop the boats.

Of course they don't want us to stop the boats because they'd be stuck with the backlog.

[just_me_karen]

That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

[nevynreally]

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@just_me_karen wrote:
That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

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So it's an Australian issue, not an Indonesian one because these people are trying to get to Australia?

It's a global issue of queue jumpers, people wanting the economic promised land they believe they're owed. Because if you were fleeing due to persecution, anywhere safe out of that environment would be where you'd want to be.

[icyfroth]

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@just_me_karen wrote:
That is so, so incorrect, icy. There are hundreds of asylum seekers locked up in Indonesian detention centres. They have a squad of police in each high risk region that intercepts and arrests asylum seekers heading to Australia. It costs their taxpayers a fortune to look after these people who are only using Indonesia as a stopping point on their way here.

Indonesians complain that their police force is used to deal with this Australian issue, so is therefore less able to deal with local crime.

They already ARE stuck with the backlog...thousands of asylum seekers are in Indonesia waiting to come here. I read an article in their news today that claimed these "backlogged" people have a tendency to resort to crime because their finances are gone and they're unable to work,

I don't blame Indonesia for abandoning their efforts to assist our government, given the arrogant way they've been treated.

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Indonesia is awash with asylum seekers because that country is seen as a stepping stone to Australia. If Indonesia took a harder line with the people smugglers facilitating the next step to Aus, they wouldn't have such a large influx of people landing on their shores.

We are helping Indonesia with financial aid and personnel training so they can deal with with the crime issue, so what do they have to complain about?

[just_me_karen]

I suppose you'd need to empathise with how the Indonesians feel. Imagine thousands of people came to Australia, with valid papers (tourist visas, for example) with the intention of eventually catching a boat to New Zealand.

Do you think the Australian community would be satisfied having our police force busy with this NZ problem, while they neglected local crimes? Do you think people would be happy to have our gaols full of people who our police had caught getting on boats to NZ? What do you think our community would think about these people adding to the crime rates because their tourist visa doesn't allow them to work...and for those who do work illegally, do you think Australians would complain about jobs being taken?

It wouldn't matter how much money NZ gave us to deal with "their" problem, I doubt australians would be happy with the situation.....especially if the NZ prime minister spoke arrogantly to us and locked our journos out of press conferences.

[***super_nova***]

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Why does he have to apologise for something even the Indonesians do, they want apologise for spying ?

Solution - they all sit down and work out a compromise.

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Such spying is done only with agreement of both parties, and Indonesians have asked for EXPLANATION, not an apology.  Instead of calling them and some useful private talking, TA made announcements in our parliament. 

[***super_nova***]

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@nevynreally wrote:

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It's a global issue of queue jumpers, people wanting the economic promised land they believe they're owed. Because if you were fleeing due to persecution, anywhere safe out of that environment would be where you'd want to be.

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That is like if your house burns down and you managed to make it out on your front lawn; so now you are safe and should sit there and wait for your house to be rebuilt? 

Refugees want to go somewhere where they can work, have a life, educate their kids etc.which are the basic human rights. 

[***super_nova***]

Living conditions at refugee camps in Malaysia have been condemned as cramped, crowded and unhygienic.

[azureline**]

We are so lucky to live in Australia

[polksaladallie]

I remember a report which analysed their drinking water and found faecal matter in it.   There was no alternative for drinking.