Bill of Rights for Australia - What is your list of rights

[ufo_investigations]

Australia is the only western country without a Bill of Rights. Odd isn't it.

We need an entrenched Bill of Rights. It can be entrenched or unentrenched. Entrenched is better because it can't easily be repealed at will without a referendum.  I would prefer entrenched with a 90% vote required to change any aspect of it.

England has had once since 1689

New Zealand since 1990

United States since 1791

Canada since 1960

European Union since 2000

I think it is about time we have one!

Tell me what rights should we have as a people?

Please make a list, like the U.S. 1st amendment etc...

[ufo_investigations]

These following countries below allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense (not an exhaustive list). They don't have murders and killings like you describe and false claims etc.

Austria, Czech Republic, Finland, Estonia, Georgia, Germany, Italy, France, Latvia, Luthuania, Moldova, Serbia

In these countries the laws vary, in some you have to be 21-years-old and pass a police record check, and you have to do a safety training course before being licensed plus have to pass a psychological test. In others you just need permission from the authorities and even that varies too.

I'm not that religious but in the bible it says:

In the Old Testament, we find this example of God sanctioning self-defense:

    "If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder." (Exodus 22:2)

Weapons were used in the Bible for the purpose of self-defense; nowhere in scripture is this forbidden.

In the New Testament, Jesus sanctioned the use of weapons for self-defense. While giving his farewell discourse to the disciples before going to the cross, he instructed the apostles to purchase side arms to carry for self-protection.

Are you saying because Australia was used as penal colony for the British, Australians can't be trusted with a gun? We're all convicts? Is that it?

[*crikey*mate*]

nope

but I agree with you

we shouold (and do) have a right to self defence

I just googled, germany does not have a Bill of rights and nor do they have the right to shoot a person in their home without fear of arrest or charge
, they do have a right to aself defence wioth reasonable force/

and the onus is on the plaintiff

so please, could you show me a country which has a bill of rights or some form of legislation or hey it can be scribbled on a napkin for all i care where you can shoot somerone without fear of arrest or charge?

and I know France doesn't have that, don't have to google it. They too will go to court and have the preesumption of innocence if they shoot someone

[*crikey*mate*]

but you're not asking for a Bill of Rights so you can have a gun, you're asking for a BoR that gives you the right to shoot a person in al;leged self defence, in your home with immunity.

and I can't find any country that allows that

[ufo_investigations]

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@diamond-halo wrote:

but you're not asking for a Bill of Rights so you can have a gun, you're asking for a BoR that gives you the right to shoot a person in al;leged self defence, in your home with immunity.

and I can't find any country that allows that

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Those European countries listed don't have English as their first language so I don't know what they call the bill of rights or if it is called something else. Their government though allow them to use a handgun for self-defense purposes which I suppose means they can shoot if their life is threatened (only as a last resort).

[i-need-a-martini]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

These following countries below allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense (not an exhaustive list). They don't have murders and killings like you describe and false claims etc.

Austria, Czech Republic, Finland, Estonia, Georgia, Germany, Italy, France, Latvia, Luthuania, Moldova, Serbia

 

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I don't know where you get your info from but basically it's rubbish.

Austria, Finland, Italy, German, France do not allow citizens to carry concealed guns for the purposes of self defence.

I didn't even bother to research the rest because the other countries you listed are laughable as examples.

Why would you even bother to list all those (Georgia, Estonia, Moldova etc) connected to Russia?  Kinda makes your argument weak.

And you bring up Serbia as an example? Seriously?? lol.

The Czech republic is the only country in Europe where you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon. However, (unlike the US) their laws on self defence are not connected to their laws on gun ownership. Also (unlike the US) there are no doctrines in place about trespass or defense of property. Perhaps this is why so few Czechs own a gun. The cost is also the second reason.

[ufo_investigations]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

These following countries below allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense (not an exhaustive list). They don't have murders and killings like you describe and false claims etc.

Austria, Czech Republic, Finland, Estonia, Georgia, Germany, Italy, France, Latvia, Luthuania, Moldova, Serbia

 

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I don't know where you get your info from but basically it's rubbish.

Austria, Finland, Italy, German, France do not allow citizens to carry concealed guns for the purposes of self defence.

I didn't even bother to research the rest because the other countries you listed are laughable as examples.

Why would you even bother to list all those (Georgia, Estonia, Moldova etc) connected to Russia?  Kinda makes your argument weak.

And you bring up Serbia as an example? Seriously?? lol.

The Czech republic is the only country in Europe where you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon. However, (unlike the US) their laws on self defence are not connected to their laws on gun ownership. Also (unlike the US) there are no doctrines in place about trespass or defense of property. Perhaps this is why so few Czechs own a gun. The cost is also the second reason.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

[i-need-a-martini]

Well it's a worry if wiki is your only form of research.

But your statement was: These following countries below allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense 

Even wiki make it clear that not one of those countries allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense. 

The listing simply states gun laws. Australia has gun laws too. The second line in wiki even states: "...some countries such as South Korea, China, the United Kingdom and Germany, have strict limits on gun possession by private citizens." Wasn't Germany on your list? 

As I noted aerlier, the only country that mentions self defence is the section on Czech Rep.

So I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

[ufo_investigations]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Well it's a worry if wiki is your only form of research.

But your statement was: These following countries below allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense 

Even wiki make it clear that not one of those countries allow their citizens to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense. 

The listing simply states gun laws. Australia has gun laws too. The second line in wiki even states: "...some countries such as South Korea, China, the United Kingdom and Germany, have strict limits on gun possession by private citizens." Wasn't Germany on your list? 

As I noted aerlier, the only country that mentions self defence is the section on Czech Rep.

So I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

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The previous info I got from another google search. This wiki one is a new one I found. Czech Republic is not the only one there's others.

[i-need-a-martini]

Aha. Sure.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@diamond-halo wrote:

but you're not asking for a Bill of Rights so you can have a gun, you're asking for a BoR that gives you the right to shoot a person in al;leged self defence, in your home with immunity.

and I can't find any country that allows that

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Those European countries listed don't have English as their first language so I don't know what they call the bill of rights or if it is called something else. Their government though allow them to use a handgun for self-defense purposes which I suppose means they can shoot if their life is threatened (only as a last resort).

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but it does not allow them to do so without fear of charge or arrest.

That seems to be the point you are missing.