Boycott Bali

[idlewhile]

If the horrific murder of two Australians is carried out then we should boycott Bali and all things Indonesian.

We gave over a $billion dollars to this country after the tsunami, we prop then up with foreign aid and they spit in our faces.

They have  ignored all diplomatic attempts to mitigate their sentences and Watta a Joko has now signed the order to send them to the "killing Island" wouldn't want to kill them on Bali now would they, might upset the tourism business.

I'm appalled and disgusted, scared and frightened for these men and heartsick for their families.

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

"In 2010, a death row inmate waited an average of 178 months (or close to 15 years) between sentencing and execution.[1]Nearly a

quarter of deaths on death row in the U.S. are due to natural causes.[2]"

15 year wait on average in the US......these men have only been locked up for 10.

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australians_imprisoned_or_executed_abroad#Indonesia

Australians have been executed in other countries......... none listed so far for Indonesia.

Naturally, wiki will need to be up dated if and when these two are executed.

[azureline**]

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@idlewhile wrote:

I don't participate in baiting

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baiting?

I asked a question of a post you made, how is that baiting?

It would appear that no Australians have been executed previously in Bali.

Thanks to the poster who provided that info.

[lind9650]

Here we are protesting and are outraged that peole from other countries want AUSTRALIA to change our laws to suit their beliefs and convictions.

Now we are trying to do the same to another country?

Everyone that travels overseas gets information and instructions. If you don't want to obey their laws, don't go.

In Saudi Arabia you can be jailed for kissing your partner in the street.

Go to Bali, smuggle drugs, get the death sentence when caught. It is their land, their laws and does not have to change because we wish so.

Erica

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

It's the OP's admission that they are not interested in facts.

I was actually surprised that previously, no other Aussies had been executed there.

Executing them, might send a strong message to others believing they can get off..........

[kopenhagen5]

Idle, to be fair on azure, you did say executed.

Huge difference between executed versus died or killed.

[polksaladallie]

There was no confusion about that.  Perhaps all those Asian countries are lumped in together by some.  "They all look the same".

[azureline**]

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@kopenhagen5 wrote:

Idle, to be fair on azure, you did say executed.

Huge difference between executed versus died or killed.

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I had to scroll back to see what you meant, thank you.

If that was the reply, I didn't connect the 2.

I know the 2 men are responsible for their own situation but I am not in favour of the death penalty, never ever.

Australia has had a policy of not assisting countries who do,  to put Australians in situations where this is likely. This time, they did.

That is my objection.

I also have not researched or paid much attention to the 2 men, I don't want to think about it too much or the sadness for their families.

[grumpy*cat*rocks]

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@azureline** wrote:
Idle while, which Australians have they executed before?

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Not in Indonesia, but in Malaysia, 2 Australians were hanged back in the 80's.

Barlow and Chambers were their names.

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1986/jul/07/fromthearchive

Two Australian heroin traffickers, Brian Chambers and Kevin Barlow, were hanged shortly before dawn today after a flurry of last-minute appeals to the Malaysian authorities for mercy or a stay of execution failed, prison officials said. The officials spoke to reporters through a peep-hole in the massive steel gates of Pudu gaol, Kuala Lumpur. Later an unmarked prison truck left the prison for the mortuary, witnesses in a crowd of some 200 reporters and onlookers said.

The two were the first Westerners to hang under Malaysia 's tough anti-drugs laws, which prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grammes of heroin.

Asked how he felt, Barlow's lawyer, Mr Karpal Singh, said: 'Pathetic, that it should have come to this stage. '

Chambers' mother said in a written statement: 'No one has the right to take someone else's life. It's inhumane. There is no more to be said, but he will be free forever. '

Chambers and Barlow, who was born in Stoke and who also held British nationality, were arrested on the resort island of Penang in November, 1983, with 180 grammes of heroin and given mandatory death sentences last July. An appeal failed last December.

The governor of Penang, the last source of mercy, rejected repeated Clemency pleas. He has never pardoned drugs peddlers.

Chambers and Barlow were hanged despite appeals for clemency from the Australian and British Prime Ministers and from the human rights group Amnesty International.

[polksaladallie]

And this man.

Some people here think all of these countries are combined.

3 December 2005

Nguyen Tuong Van, a 25-year-old Australian, was executed in Singapore’s Changi Prison at 6 a.m. yesterday morning, local time. The state murder stands as an indictment not just of the dictatorial Singaporean regime, but of the entire Australian political establishment as well. The Howard government and the Labor Party opposition closed ranks in the weeks leading up to the hanging to ensure that the outrage of ordinary people did not undermine Canberra’s tacit agreement with the killing. Above all else, no harm was to be done to any aspect of Australia’s commercial and political ties with Singapore.

In the aftermath of Nguyen’s killing, various politicians have issued sickeningly hypocritical statements of sympathy for the man’s family and friends, and wept crocodile tears over Singapore’s enforcement of the death penalty.

The calculated and cynical position of both the government and the Labor Party has sharply contrasted with the genuine revulsion and anger felt by millions of ordinary Australians—and Singaporeans—over Nguyen’s state-sanctioned murder. Thousands of people participated in protests and vigils to mark his death.

Nguyen had been sentenced to die by hanging after his conviction on charges of transporting 396 grams of heroin through Singapore airport in December 2002, en route from Cambodia to Australia. The young man was desperate to raise money for his twin brother, Khoa, who was in serious financial trouble, pending criminal charges, over drug problems. For this tragic mistake, Nguyen, the son of a Vietnamese refugee who had never had any previous trouble with the law, paid with his life.

Nguyen’s killing was an act of unmitigated barbarism. Every aspect of his treatment—by the Singaporean government, Australian politicians, and the media—reeks of hypocrisy, cynicism, and cruelty.