Boycott petrol!

[i-need-a-martini]

Halal certification funding terrorism = a big fat lie.

Crude Oil funding terrorism = fact.

So IF you are really so concerned about the spread of Islam, the horror of terrorism, and the threat of muslims taking over Australia then I suggest you stop driving a car.

So far this fact has been ignored in the halal obsessed threads which is very odd given the feverish arguments about Islamic terrorism.

[myoclon1cjerk]

I saw a couple of stunners today.About 22. Italian.Backpackers. 🙂

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

So where does the profit come from for a Halal accreditation-seeking co if only a small percentage of their trade comes our way anyway?

The halal food market is expected to be worth US$1.6 trillion globally by 2018. With an average growth rate of 6.9 percent a year, it’s a sector that cannot be ignored, especially by food manufacturers keen to make their mark internationally.

Who mentioned it is only a small % of their trade that comes our way. The more companies that get their products halal certified the more will be exporting &  earning more  and this will be good for Australia's economic growth as well as company profit.

Ararat Meat Exports are specialists in the export of quality mutton and lamb and also sheep skins. The business was established in 1993, and it operates the largest mutton abattoir in Victoria. HALAL accredited, and under AQIS supervision, the abattoirs slaughters approximately one million sheep per year.

All product processed at the abattoir is exported to various locations around the world such as Russia, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, the Caribbean, South Africa, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore.

Located in Ararat 200 km west of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

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So it's all about big business here, isn't it. The marketable commodity is actually the Halal certification, not the actual produce. 

It's no longer about the Muslim faith and it's traditions and rituals, but seeing it as an excellent business opportuny to cash in on. 

How ever did our exporters survive previous to this trend of Halal badging? 

[the_hawk*]

Going by some of the comments made in this thread its clear some havent worked out a simple fact

[myoclon1cjerk]

"So it's all about big business here, isn't it. The marketable commodity is actually the Halal certification, not the actual produce. 
It's no longer about the Muslim faith and it's traditions and rituals, but seeing it as an excellent business opportuny to cash in on. '"

Er,yes.That's what businesses do.
 
 

[icyfroth]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
"So it's all about big business here, isn't it. The marketable commodity is actually the Halal certification, not the actual produce. 
It's no longer about the Muslim faith and it's traditions and rituals, but seeing it as an excellent business opportuny to cash in on. '"

Er,yes.That's what businesses do.
 
 

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Of course, but I mean the Islamic Councils and other bodies that insist on halal certification before they'll allow the product for muslim consumption. The religious aspect of it has become secondary to the business aspec. At some time, someone realised what a great money-spinner it is and started marketing the certification.

It's a huge con.

Read this excellent article that DDB posted: 

http://www.jumuamosquect.com/khutbas/khutba/archive/2012/january/27/article/khutba-on-halal-certific...

The Jumua Mosque of Cape Town: Khutba on Halal Certification Fiasco 

"the translation of which is, “Do not sell My signs for a paltry price.” It is totally reprehensible that make a profit from selective issuing of the rulings of the deen. And the fact that they charge such exorbitant fees for their services puts the Muslim customer at a distinct financial disadvantage in the market place, for the price the companies have to pay is passed directly onto the customers. And so food that has the halal certificate almost always tends to be more expensive that that without it. Halal certification has become a form of stealth tax, taking money from the pockets of the ordinary Muslims and putting it into the coffers of the Islamic organisations and ulama.
And it is not just the Muslim on the street who has suffered financially as a result of halal certification, but also many small Muslim businesses. Before the halal stamp became widespread, almost all Muslims used to purchase their meat from their local halal butcher. But, since the advent of the stamp, the supermarkets, most non-Muslim owned and run, have stolen the majority of those butchers' customers by setting up halal sections and undercutting them, thus cornering the market and driving them out of business."

[daydream**believer]

Exactly. What did Muslims around the world and in Australia eat before halal certification?

They ate the same foods they are eating now

They say a small private prayer over the food before they eat it.

I know this as i recently sat next to a muslim teacher at a school christmas dinner. She was lovely and we started discussing the foods she can and cant eat.

She said that whether the food is stamped halal certified or not makes no difference to her as she still says her prayer over the food anyway

[the_hawk*]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

Exactly. What did Muslims around the world and in Australia eat before halal certification?

They ate the same foods they are eating now

They say a small private prayer over the food before they eat it.

I know this as i recently sat next to a muslim teacher at a school christmas dinner. She was lovely and we started discussing the foods she can and cant eat.

She said that whether the food is stamped halal certified or not makes no difference to her as she still says her prayer over the food anyway

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and that is great, its as simple as that and requires no tax to be paid by the 98% non muslims and the sooner some get educated the better.

and that is its a tax that islamics have dreamt up to get non muslims to fund them  

[cherry*135]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

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Noooo! Can you not see the paradox here? Why do the major producers feel they have to pay for Halal when it serves just a small percentage of the populace?

If the 2% Muslim population chose not to buy what the remaining 98% does, why would producers and retailers care if they have the majority of the market anyway?

Do they know something we don't?

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You aren't looking at the big picture again. The export market.. halal certification isn't just done on products sold on the domestic market for 2% of the population.

There is a huge global demand for halal certified food products/ (which I have mentioned before in this thread $2.47 trillion dollars by 2018).

[cherry*135]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

So where does the profit come from for a Halal accreditation-seeking co if only a small percentage of their trade comes our way anyway?

The halal food market is expected to be worth US$1.6 trillion globally by 2018. With an average growth rate of 6.9 percent a year, it’s a sector that cannot be ignored, especially by food manufacturers keen to make their mark internationally.

Who mentioned it is only a small % of their trade that comes our way. The more companies that get their products halal certified the more will be exporting &  earning more  and this will be good for Australia's economic growth as well as company profit.

Ararat Meat Exports are specialists in the export of quality mutton and lamb and also sheep skins. The business was established in 1993, and it operates the largest mutton abattoir in Victoria. HALAL accredited, and under AQIS supervision, the abattoirs slaughters approximately one million sheep per year.

All product processed at the abattoir is exported to various locations around the world such as Russia, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, the Caribbean, South Africa, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore.

Located in Ararat 200 km west of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

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So it's all about big business here, isn't it. The marketable commodity is actually the Halal certification, not the actual produce. 

It's no longer about the Muslim faith and it's traditions and rituals, but seeing it as an excellent business opportuny to cash in on. 

How ever did our exporters survive previous to this trend of Halal badging? 

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Of course export it is about the quality of the products and produce..  the demand for halal certification on those products/produce for certain countrie as listed above is an extra requirement.. one many exporters are happy to meet.

Living in a global economy now (present day, not the 1980's)  there are more opportunities to export/trade with other countries. Hasn't Aust just signed free trade agreements with China, Japan?

Muslim countries import food from other countries, which they require be halal certified.

It is 2014 now, not the 1980's and earlier...... some would like to go back there and stay there by the sounds of it...

[myoclon1cjerk]

Tobacco tax is an invention by non-smokers to fund them...Alcohol tax is an invention by non-drinkers to support them.....import duty was concocted by local mamufacturers...
fuel excise by pedestrians....