COVID Is A SCAM

[icyfroth]

Hundreds of demonstrators across Australia have broken social distancing rules to protest against vaccinations, 5G and the coronavirus pandemic.   

Protesters gathered at the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne on Saturday and claimed the global COVID-19 health crisis was a 'scam'.

There are more than five-million cases of coronavirus cases across the globe and at least 350,000 people have died. Australia has recorded more than 7,000 infections and the death toll sits at 103 following the successful implementation of social distancing restrictions. 

Brazen demonstrators also carried signs declaring they were against vaccines and 5G technology.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/covid-19-is-a-scam-no-mandatory-vaccines-and-5g-equals-co...

Lol @ the anti-virus shields on the horses

[countessalmirena]

                              Ndlovukatisuburbia Council

                              5 Proboscidea Way

                              Ndlovukatisuburbia, ET (Elephant Territory), Australia.

Dear Householder,

This is to inform you that we, the council elect, have decided to build a most magnificent nuclear power station right next door to you. This will increase your power access and also provide a wonderful glow when it's time to think about how your mortal remains should be treated.

Additionally, just opposite your house, we have purchased several properties which shall be thoroughly knocked down by a wrecking ball controlled by an attention-seeking pop star, and upon the grounds of which we shall be erecting a superlative institution for the criminally insane. (Mere misdeamour-committing insane persons need not apply. Our entry prerequisites begin with acts of violence where the insane person wields an axe, scimitar, or sharpened gardening/weeding implement. Special exemptions may apply depending upon how often the insane person has thought him/herself to be a banana tree.)

We know you will be as delighted with these amenities as we are, particularly as getting close to the truly insane can be so difficult to arrange these days. Persons living within Ndlovukatisuburbia shall be given special permits to visit the insane asylum and take tea with three inmates of their choice at least once a week, and shall be entered into the You Didn't Really Think We'd Let You Out Of Here Once We Got You Inside, Did You? raffle for a marvellous mystery prize!

Naturally, we value your contribution and thoughts. Your feedback is important to us. Please leave any objections, proposals or billets doux inside the tree hollow of the great oak tree on the corner of Mammoth and Stegodont Sts - you know, the tree that we cut down last... summer... Oh dear. It appears you shan't be able to lodge an objection after all. Good lord. What an oversight.

Yours faithfully,

Senior Councillor

[*kazumi*]

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@4channel wrote:

Oh, and among them are people who know that there is a corrupt relationship between Big Pharma and politicians. They also know that the persuit for profit may (as it has done in the past) bypass the necessary tests needed to determine what side effects will arise.

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Yes, there is corruption everywhere, in every field.  BUT that does not mean that everything about pharmaceuticals is corrupt, or all about money.   Most researchers do hope to do good for mankind.  Investors invest huge amounts of money and they would like to make profit.  If company keeps losing money, they will not get people investing, and then they cannot do research.  Vaccinations wiped out smallpox, and came close to getting rid off tuberculosis.  Both diseases we used to get vaccinated for when I was a child.  Now we are very close to ending polio.  Africa has been finally declared polio free, and the only remaining pockets are in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where people are so uneducated  and gullible that they believe some malicious people who are trying to convince them that vaccination will make them sterile, or do deliberatly something else harmful. 

In ideal world research would be done for benefit to humans and not for profit, BUT the only way would be to have research funded and controlled by the government and I can just see what the conspiracy theorist would make out of that.  And so we have system where medications are peddled for profit, and each brand is trying to push their product. 

BUT half of us would be dead if we did not have the Big Pharma producing drugs that easily cure conditions that during my parent's life time were more often than not fatal.  When I had pneumonia few year after WW2, antibiotics were not all that easy to get in war torn Europe, and it was only thanks to my mother's friends in Switzerland who sent us another antibiotic that I survived. 

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[domino-710]

[countessalmirena]

kazumi, the points you make are valid and true.

Without vaccinations, millions of preventable deaths would have occurred. Countless suffering has been prevented. The path forward for vaccinations has not infrequently thrown up rubble and stone; that doesn't mean that the path is a wrong one. It just means that due care has to be taken.

Pharmaceutical companies working to find and produce a vaccine that will help in the current pandemic are not - in my opinion - engaged in a gigantic qonspiracy. (Q used deliberately.) I don't think anyone doubts that some pharmaceutical companies (or rather, some directors and those in the prime driving positions of those companies) have made some decisions based upon money at almost any cost. That still doesn't equate to "Let's be suspicious of all pharmaceutical companies and cast them as the villain in our narrative".

As you say, the other realistic choice for funding this sort of research would be by governments. That would lend itself to other issues, at least one of which you've pointed out. I very much doubt that government-funded pharmaceutical research bodies would remain as government-funded bodies. Such bodies have a tendency to be sold off by governments...

I think I will leave it there. Any further discussion by me is probably going to be nothing more than repeated echoes. I'm off to find a pointy 1.5 metre long stick - just the thing to take with me while out and about.

[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:

Oh, and among them are people who know that there is a corrupt relationship between Big Pharma and politicians. They also know that the pursuit for profit may (as it has done in the past) bypass the necessary tests needed to determine what side effects will arise.

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Yes, there is corruption everywhere, in every field.  BUT that does not mean that everything about pharmaceuticals is corrupt, or all about money.   Most researchers do hope to do good for mankind.  Investors invest huge amounts of money and they would like to make profit.  If company keeps losing money, they will not get people investing, and then they cannot do research.  Vaccinations wiped out smallpox, and came close to getting rid off tuberculosis.  Both diseases we used to get vaccinated for when I was a child.  Now we are very close to ending polio.  Africa has been finally declared polio free,

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 Not everything about pharmaceutical is corrupt. Yes I agree. But a lot of it is. They are after all drug dealers,  but they do it legally.

Yes, I think that it's good that polio has nearly been eradicated. And as I have said several times before I am not against the polio vaccine just as I am with some others. What I am against is hastily and covertly rolled out with a huge profit , a goal that overtakes any feelings of morality, honesty or compassion.

A quick question insertion here. Does the illegal narcotics peddling drug lord have any compassion for the users on the other end? Does the politician that supports a war, an invasion based on lies have any compassion for the people killed when their country is invaded?

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@kazumi wrote:

Africa has been finally declared polio free, and the only remaining pockets are in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where people are so uneducated  and gullible that they believe some malicious people who are trying to convince them that vaccination will make them sterile, or do deliberatly something else harmful. 

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Sure there are some ant-vaxxers who don't have their facts right but that doesn't make them malicious. Some have become inflicted with pride which can trannslate into bull-headedness. But there are a lot of vaccination aware people and even some anti-vaxxers who have a lot of knowledge that is useful. The sterility concern is valid as far as the HPV vaccine is concerned as some women have been killed, injured as a result and sterility is a side effect for some. There are some YT links on this thread about that and they are from main stream accepted news sources.

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@kazumi wrote:

In ideal world research would be done for benefit to humans and not for profit, BUT the only way would be to have research funded and controlled by the government and I can just see what the conspiracy theorist would make out of that.  And so we have system where medications are peddled for profit, and each brand is trying to push their product. 

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The researchers that are not industry funded are good for mankind but the ones that are industry funded are not. I'll mention an industry here and if you look at the meaning of those two words you'll  note that it has no interest whatsoever in human wellness. The industry of course is the Cancer Industry. 

Yes, it would be better if research were properly controlled by a government organisation rather than industry funded. The only thing people would have to worry about is how resistant all involved are to bribes and in some extreme cases, blackmail. I guess some conspiracy theorists  would make of the situation the same as non-conspiracy theorists that a government is as good as the people who make it up.

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@kazumi wrote:

BUT half of us would be dead if we did not have the Big Pharma producing drugs that easily cure conditions that during my parent's life time were more often than not fatal.  When I had pneumonia few year after WW2, antibiotics were not all that easy to get in war torn Europe, and it was only thanks to my mother's friends in Switzerland who sent us another antibiotic that I survived. 

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I don' t agree that half of us would be dead. I respect your stance but that's too high an estimate.  I do understand where you're coming from though Kazumi. I'm pleased to hear that your mother had friiends in another country that were able to offer some much needed medical help. Anyway, anti-biotics are not the concern of many protesters who are concerned with big pharma. Psychotropic drugging, the pushing of opioid medication and rush job vaccines are!!!

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John Kapoor, founder of Insys Therapeutics, sentenced to 66 months in landmark fentanyl bribery case

Joey Garrison

USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/23/insys-therapeutics-founder-john-kapoor-serve-6...

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Big Pharma Manipulates Clinical Drug Trials — Peter Gotzsche, M.D.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0wzUpQdAig

Tricks Big Pharma Uses to Get New Drugs Approved by the FDA: Peter Gotzsche, M.D.

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•Premiered Dec 13, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzO44KOG_9c

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It was once said that for every dollar spent in the natural health industry, the pharmaceutical industry loses ten. Well, maybe that's an over estimate. But even if it was one dollar vs one dollar that's too much for it to lose. * Would I be wasting my time telling you that cancer can be cured naturally in at least some cases?  *  Would I be wasting my time in telling you that the media plays a big part in making sure that the story is mostly favourable to one industry?

And here we are talking about people protesting and perhaps one day some folks will understand more. I do!

[jetho1680]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

4channel wrote; The other people in the marches have been people just concerned about the economy and people concerned about their health being affected by mobile phone radiation etc. 

And yet they were not concerned apparently about their health being affected by covid19

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That's because covid is a global conspiracy to keep the people under control.

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The conspiracy nutters have been speaking about the numbers of deaths reportedly caused by covid as being "jacked up" since the beginning of the year.

Evidence has now vindicated the claims of the "jacked" numbers and without so much as a whimper from the denialists.

The government and the media knowingly deceived the people using numbers they knew were false to spread fear and hysteria among the citizens and the majority of the people bought it.

Just as the millions had done who hailed Hitler, marched to Mussolini and saluted Stalin bought their propaganda.

Australian death toll percentage is 0.002% of the population.

England 0.06%

Peru 0.06%

Italy 0.06%

USA 0.06%

Mexico 0.05%

Germany 0.011%

Brazil 0.006%

Sweden 0.006%

India 0.0006%

NZ  0.0005%

China 0.0003%  but wait, they are lying about the numbers.

They claim 5000 deaths, let's say it is 1,000,000 out of a population of 1.44 billion, it equates to 0.069%,

,,,,,and the governments shut down the economy and destroyed the lives of many.

To quote Samuel Adams.  It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires

of freedom in the minds of men (and women, we can't upset people by being sexist these days)

OH has said that if things improve he anticipates the state and federal governments will take full advantage of the economic environment they helped create and start a campaign to significantly reduce or abolish penalty rates under the guise of being the saviours of the people, telling them that this sacrifice will help seed the beginning of a new era and the people will buy that too.

Meanwhile the politicians will still receive their disgustingly high salaries with all benefits including their guaranteed superannuation payments.

Providing we are not engage in WW3 beforehand

[4channel]

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Re: COVID Is A SCAM [ Edited ]

in reply to 4channel

Sunday - last edited Sunday

@jetho1680 wrote:

'Died from' or 'died with' COVID-19?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/died-with-covid-19-or-died-from-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths/1...

Message 158 of 186 (192 Views)

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This is very interesting. It's good to see ABC reporting on something good. Some remnants of the good old ABC when true journalists like Kerry O'Brien , Tony Jones and Mike Carlton who was very vocal  about a former PM were delivering true news.

[*kazumi*]

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@4channel wrote:

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I don' t agree that half of us would be dead.

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It was just a phrase, I would not want to estimate how many of us would not be here without antibiotics.  BUT before antibiotics and before vaccinations many infants did not survive infancy.  Then think how many times in your life you were given antibiotics for minor infection.  Every one of them could have turn into pneumonia or gangrene.  People used to die from minor scratches if they became infected. 

And pharmaceuticals are screened stringently.  That is why it takes so long to develop vaccine or medications, and every country has its own way to approve drugs. i am not saying there is no corruption, but the pharmaceutical companies do not want to get sued either.   However, at present there is lot of pressure to speed up the process, and that is worrying.  Governments have to decided what is worse; the damage done by COVID19 and the lockdowns, or potential problems caused by the vaccine down the track.   Governments do not wish to kill us or make us ill, especially government in countries with universal health systems paid for by the government.  They do not want small business to go broke either.  Politicians have nice income, but most would earn much more if they get jobs in private sector, and many will go back to private sector sometimes in future, and I am sure they hope it will be there for them to get jobs. 

[lalbo-81]

You're quite amusing, but then, your type usually is. Yes, I know Dom from an America ebay board. Any other kudos given here went to the people whose posts made sense instead of making me giggle and wonder how much tin foil they go through for hats in a month.
And could you please tell me what " my more established ID is"? I didn't know I had one other than this one.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less whether you respect me or not. What matters to me is that I don't respect you, or any other source of conspiracy drivel on any board. I'm quite sure Dom will back me up on that, since I made that clear in the past too.
By the way, I rather doubt you can tell me or anyone else here what they can post in any thread. I suggest that you don't try it again until you start getting paid to be a moderator.

[domino-710]

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@4channel wrote:

T's obvious you know people  here even though you've only made 4 posts since registering in March this year and your first post having been made yesterday. The 32 pages of kudos you've given started in late April, so you've been around for a while. I'd be more inclined to take more seriously of you posted with the more established ID.

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Well - this is rather personal.

But - a B- for wasted, nosey, unecessary, none of your business - research.

Here - a supply of crayons - don't want to run out.