Canada under attack

[ladydeburg]

What's on earth is happening in the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803422/Canadian-Parliament-lockdown-gunman-shoots-Canadian-...

[kilroy_is_here]

I'm sorry deb but you couldn't be more wrong , we have to stop looking at the tool ie the lone wolf or the idiot conscript and start hunting the those that radicalise them as they are equally responsible , in fact they are more so as it is they who will continue to use those vulnerable to radicalisation as their weapons , without fear of repercussions to them selfs we must come down like a tone of bricks on them, we must Persue them with every resource and with the same compassion that they show us and the tools they endoctrinate

[**dirty.girl**]

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
I'm sorry deb but you couldn't be more wrong , we have to stop looking at the tool ie the lone wolf or the idiot conscript and start hunting the those that radicalise them as they are equally responsible , in fact they are more so as it is they who will continue to use those vulnerable to radicalisation as their weapons , without fear of repercussions to them selfs we must come down like a tone of bricks on them, we must Persue them with every resource and with the same compassion that they show us and the tools they endoctrinate

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I really wish society would stop blaming "outer influences" and make people accountable for their own actions. All of us on earth are individuals and each day we make choices that effect outselves and the society we live in. We each have our weaknesses and carry our own set of rocks but we don't all join a cult or become fanatical terrorists. The problem is today we are taught that the government, the country, that society itself is at fault, and made to excuse individual behaviour. Look at court decisions that often take into account a criminal's backstory: many of us have unhappy childhoods, this doesn't result in us clubbing an eighty year old grandmother on the head or worse, engaging in practises that harm an entire nation. And that isn't even the case in Canada, despite the lurid headlines. One evil and psychotic man made the decision to fatally injure some individuals - he has nobody to blame but himself.

[kilroy_is_here]

I'm not saying the individual is not guilty or responsible as they most definitely are , those that sow the seeds are equally guilty

[**dirty.girl**]

That's like blaming a drug dealer because a junkie overdoses or a courier is arrested in Thailand.

An individual can always say no.

[kilroy_is_here]

Actually in my view the drug dealer is responsible.
He sells a product just the same as any company and companies are held responsable for their products, so if his kills then he is entirely responsable and not all individuals are capable of saying no in both cases the terrorist and the drugy may well be susceptible to manipulation, does it make either innocent of their actions no but it doesn't make the next person up the chain innocent either

[**dirty.girl**]

But people know drugs kill. A drug dealer isn't the CEO at a company that sells tainted aspirin which kills people. Individuals know the risks of taking drugs - people expect no fatal consequences of taking aspirin per the instructions. And the CEO would be held accountable for that.

[kilroy_is_here]

A drug dealer knows full well that not only is his product addictive it can kill , in fact he relies on his product being exactly that so addictive that it gaurentees repeat business so why should he no be held responsable to sell a product that you know can kill is murder

[**dirty.girl**]

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
A drug dealer knows full well that not only is his product addictive it can kill , in fact he relies on his product being exactly that so addictive that it gaurentees repeat business so why should he no be held responsable to sell a product that you know can kill is murder

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You are missing the point. A drug dealer doesn't answer to any governing body on standards - he is a criminal, lol. Customers who go to him aren't shopping in a supermarket and taking a product down from the shelf. These shoppers demand and expect stringent quality control on what they buy. Drug dealers on the other hand don't advertise on bill-boards or on TV commercials: somebody who ekes out a drug dealer knows the risks and is at fault if something goes wrong.

[icyfroth]

Can we get back to the topic of Canada Is Under Attack Pls?

Re individual young muslim men being radicalised and used by Groups like ISIS taking account of their actions.

They are not individuals, they don't want to be individual. They crave a sense of belonging and they find it in the groups that recruit them to the cause. 

It's not just the muslim young men.

Young men were always recruited for wars by instilling into them a hatred for the enemy, a sense of brotherhood, a sense of adventure, rousing patriotism and the idea of fighting to for their country.

There's no individual taking account of ones actions in battle by just saying no .

[boris1gary]

don't know if this has already been posted and can't be bothered to check - doesn't bear much resemblance to the hysteria..

Ottawa: The gunman in Wednesday's attack on Canada's capital acted alone and, despite a criminal record, had no apparent links to a convert to Islam who killed a soldier in Quebec earlier in the week, police said on Thursday.

Zehaf-Bibeau had recently applied for a passport but checks by the RCMP did not turn up any evidence of national security-related criminality despite criminal records indicating infractions related to drugs, violence and other criminal activities, Mr Paulson said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/canadian-police-see-no-apparent-links-in-quebec-ottawa-attacks-20141024-...