on 16-09-2014 07:31 PM
It's a long way away and supposedly none of our business but if Scotland votes "Yes" and splits from the United Kingdom, the result could be cheaper scotch and a new Australian flag.
A late surge in the Yes vote in polls before Thursday's referendum on Scottish independence has suddenly made the world sit up and pay attention.
While banks and businesses are worried about an independent Scotland being cut out of the British pound and taking on a crippling national debt, analysts are also considering the fate of the Union Jack.
Losing Scotland's St Andrew's Cross would leave the Union Jack without its blue background and diagonal white stripes.
It could also result in a rethink of Australia's flag and the Union Jack's place on it.
Dr Oliver said a vote for independence would leave Scotland worse off, thanks to higher national debt and declining income from its North Sea oilfields.
Really? So why is Scotland even thinking of seperating from England?
on 18-09-2014 09:48 PM
on 18-09-2014 09:55 PM
I agree TSGE..........I would love to see them have their independence.................but not sure of the cost to them of that decision.
on 18-09-2014 09:55 PM
It probably doesn't help that the result looks like being very close - whatever the result there are going to be an awful lot of bitterly disappointed voters.
on 18-09-2014 10:03 PM
Well I'm worried about what happens to the Union Jack. The Scots and the Poms have always had a bit of 'sibling rivalry' if that makes sense just like Aussies and Kiwis.
I have both Scottish and English blood and a fair chunk of Irish too. My cousin is English and lives in Scotland. Will he have to get permanent residency?
Will Australia have to change the flag or will it be just part of our heritage and it can stay the same?
18-09-2014 10:06 PM - edited 18-09-2014 10:08 PM
They might send your cousin back home over the border j*oono ( just kidding).
I have found on short visits there, some are very anti the English.
My ancestors came from Scotland, (paternal side).
Prediction NO will win, with YES only a 1% or 2% less.
on 18-09-2014 10:14 PM
My Dad grew up in Scotland...........and came out to Australia in the 1950's
He always said there was no such place as England...............it was Lower Scotland.
18-09-2014 10:20 PM - edited 18-09-2014 10:24 PM
@am*3 wrote:
I have found on short visits there, some are very anti the English.
Well there's certainly plenty of them getting a living in England. (And of course many who are on benefits also).
I can also tell you that many of the English still bemoan the fact that Hadrian's Wall isn't still up and running.
on 19-09-2014 01:11 AM
.....it's another story about 'oil' again !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Scotland%27s_oil
""It's Scotland's oil" was a widely publicised political slogan used by the Scottish National Party (SNP) during the 1970s in making their economic case for Scottish independence. It was argued that the discovery of North Sea oil off the coast of Scotland, and the revenue that it created would not benefit Scotland to any significant degree while Scotland remained part of the United Kingdom."......
http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-about-oil-independent-scotland
Using the “median line” principle which is most often applied in international law, Scotland would get about 90% of the oil revenues..........
From time to time, the No campaign tries to suggest that Scotland is 'too dependent' on oil. But this is simply not true. Scotland has generated more tax per person than the rest of the UK in each and every one of the last 30 years and that includes a period when the oil price was as low as $10 a barrel (it's currently well over $100) and revenues just a tenth of what they have been in recent years.
In fact, the share of tax receipts in Scotland coming from oil and gas revenues is generally around 10 to 15%, while the figure for Norway is around 25% to 30%. This shows we (Scotland) are not too reliant on oil and gas. It is worth remembering that Norway discovered oil and gas at the same time as Scotland, and has been able to use this wealth to become one of the very wealthiest countries on earth in terms of GDP per head of population and also now sits at the very top of world wellbeing and equality league tables.
Another important comparison with Norway relates to the establishment of a “sovereign wealth fund”. Unlike the UK, since 1996 the Norwegian government has been investing proceeds from its oil revenues into an investment fund so that future generations can benefit too. That fund is now worth over £500 billion (£100,000 per person). Analysis by the Fiscal Commission concluded that, had Scotland used its oil wealth to establish an oil fund in 1980, Scotland could have eliminated its share of UK debt by 1982/83. and by 2011/12 Scotland could have accumulated a fund worth between £82 billion and £116 billion.
The Westminster governmnet chose not to follow the Norwegian example. Instead, Margaret Thatcher's Westminster government used the North Sea revenue to fund tax cuts for the rich.
An independent Scotland could still choose to invest in a similar "rainy day fund", building a secure legacy for the future.
Remember there are up 24 billion barrels of oil still to be extracted from the North Sea with a wholesale value of up to £1.5 trillion. That’s more than ten times our likely share of national debt. The No campaign recently seized on suggestions by oil businessman Sir Ian Wood that there might be 16.5 billion barrels left. And yet the most striking feature of Sir Ians comments is that they are 60% higher than the very conservative figures generally used by the UK government.
on 19-09-2014 02:10 AM
to she-el....why would your head be saying.....'but....but.....but?
on 19-09-2014 03:18 AM
A Pandora's box has been opened which, whatever the result, would have been better left closed.
There's quite a bit of English resentment at the way the Scots are perceived to have been pandered to by English politicians over the last few years in an effort to keep them in the Union. Many English, as by far the largest UK nationality, feel their opinions on such a momentous matter have been ignored. These newspaper stories will give a flavour of it:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/2758565/cameron-warned-on-scotland-pledges
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www.express.co.uk/511741/politicians-scottish-bribes-for-no-vote
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www.sundaypost.com/1154504/warning-scot-vote-could-trigger-english-eruption
Given the cackhanded way it has all been handled, I fear that a No vote for Scotland to remain in the UK (especially a close vote) could lead to more future simmering Scots-English resentments than a clean break now.