Combet’s carbon system scheme rocked: Budget to lose billions

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Lets have a post about the massive FRAUD that is the carbon tax and the greatest LIE ever told by a politician let alone our PM


 


Combet’s carbon system scheme rocked: Budget to lose billions


 


Europe’s carbon permits have crashed to record new low prices, leaving the Federal Government facing a budget hole of more than $4 billion a year from 2015.


 


The price of Europe’s Emissions Trading System permits dropped overnight to just $3.33. Australia’s price is $23 a tonne - by far the most expensive in the world.


 


This doesn’t just mean the Gillard Government is pricing business out of the market with a huge new tax. It also means the Government could be left with a gaping hole in its Budget in two year’s time, when Australian companies can buy cheap European permits instead of our own to offset their emissions.


 


The Government is counting on raising more than $9 billion a year with its carbon tax. But that tax take will be slashed by billions if Australian companies can buy European permits for around $4.


 


 


That now looks almost certain, after a plan to drive up the price of carbon dioxide emission credits was rejected overnight by the Europ...


 


European Union Parliamentarians rejected a scheme conceived by the European Commission last year that would have frozen a large portion of the bloc’s carbon emission credits…


 


The idea behind the measure was to reduce the available number credits in the EU’s Emissions Trading System (ETS) in an effort to drive up the price of the credits. That way, companies would have had a greater incentive to invest in more environmentally-friendly equipment.


 


However, the vote actually sent the price of the credits down, meaning companies are better off continuing to pay for the credits than investing in alternative technologies.


 


The price now?


The result of the vote has seen carbon prices drop 40 per cent to a record low of €2.63 a tonne [$3.33]… 


 


Nor is a real recovery in prices expected for years to come:


But carbon analyst Stig Schjølset, of Thomson Reuters Point Carbon, said the plan was now “politically dead”. “We do not envisage prices rising much above the current €3 mark and they may well drop lower,” he added. “Certainly this vote makes the EU ETS irrelevant as an emissions reduction tool for many years to come.”


 


This exposes Climate Change Minister Greg Combet as either utterly incompetent or utterly mendacious. Or, perhaps, both.


 


With zero training in economics and no Treasury officials by my side even I could see months ago Combet was Australia’s biggest bull artist  when he claimed his carbon trading system wouldn’t leave the Budget with a black hole.


 


Here is Combet in August, claiming the world’s price would actually be around $29 a tonne two years from now:


 


The federal government say Australia’s price of carbon from 2015 will be linked to the European Union emissions trading scheme (ETS)…


 


“This means that from July 1, 2015 Australia’s carbon price will effectively be the same as that that operates in our second largest trading bloc,” Mr Combet said…


 


Under the full arrangement businesses will be allowed to use carbon units from the Australian emissions trading scheme or the European Union Emissions Trading System for compliance under either system…


Mr Combet repeated he was confident of the Treasury modelling, which predicts a $29 a tonne carbon price in 2015/16.


 


He was asked if the government would face a budget shortfall, in contrast to the $9.4 billion of revenue it had predicted the floating price would generate in the 2015/16 budget.


 


“It is three years away and the Treasury modelling is something that we stand by,” Mr Combet said.


 


Combet needed to say that because if he admitted the price would fall, he’d have to admit also the Government’s compensation for a higher carbon tax would have to fall, too. Instead, he promised the handouts would keep coming:


 


The government would not reduce household assistance payments and tax cuts set up to compensate for the price impacts of the carbon tax.


 


“We will not be cutting any household assistance,” Mr Combet said.


 


Only in February did Combet hint that his scheme was collapsing:


 


Climate Change Minister Greg Combet flagged the federal government may cut revenue forecasts for the...    in this year’s budget as the chairman of its Climate Change Authority, Bernie Fraser, said Treasury’s price projections were out of date and unrealistic…


 


He was responding to a report in The Australian Financial Review which said the government faces a revenue hole of up to $4 billion in 2015-16 from a collapse in the carbon price, which is now about $5 a tonne.


 


Australia’s carbon price is $23 a tonne and will continue to rise until 2015, when it will float.


 


The Financial Review reported the Climate Change Authority has acknowledged the possibility of a slump to $10.72 a tonne in the price of carbon in 2015-16.


 


Mr Fraser said he was sceptical of predictions the price of carbon internationally would recover and the Treasury modelling should be updated…


 


[Combet] said last August: “The Treasury modelling that was done is something that the government stands behind and we continue to adhere to, and that does predict a $29 a tonne carbon price in fiscal year 2015-16.”


On Wednesday he said: “The Treasury has done its forecast for that price, they are included in the budget forward estimates and if there is any update of them they will take place in the budget.”


 


That loss of $4 billion a year is now looking optimistic.


 


 


But so typical of this government. Even if the tax take falls, it promises not to cut the handouts that tax is supposed to fund:


 


Even if revenue slumped, Mr Combet said the government was committed to tax cuts legislated to occur in 2015-16 and intended to compensate for a higher carbon price.


 


The May Budget, I suspect, will show just how incompetent Combet has been, and how mendacious, too, in his promises.


 


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/combets_carbon_system_scheme_rocked_budget_to_lose_billions/  


 

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a price drop in europe  . . its a bit of money. it can also rise . these things happen. look at costello and the gold reserves.  meanwhile . more pressing things etc. 


are you permitted to use anothers avatar ?  correct me if i'm wrong, but i was using this version already ? i think you ought to return to the other or something more in keeping with etc etc.

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just a tip lightningdance, if you say "you lied to you were black in the face' around someone who's skin colour may meet that description I can assure you that they may very well take offence . 

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a price drop in europe  . . its a bit of money. it can also rise . these things happen. look at costello and the gold reserves.  meanwhile . more pressing things etc. 


are you permitted to use anothers avatar ?  correct me if i'm wrong, but i was using this version already ? i think you ought to return to the other or something more in keeping with etc etc.



 


you really do look thru rose coloured glasses do you think  the Labour Party ever does anything wrong ? It's not a bit of money it is a huge difference and u know it will not rise ( if ever) for a long time and it  will be interesting to see what the swan has to say. He might just ignore the obvious like u do sometimes and hope September comes quickly so he can slink back into oblivion. 


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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The scheme that went up in smoke.


 


JG on the 7.30 report last night would not give an answer as to whether they are going to drop the ludicrously high carbon tax. She talked & talked but said nothing at the end of it all, never answered a question truthfully or directly.


 


A Labor stalwart is saying this rotting stinking cat should have been dropped years ago. The carbon price in Europe is now $3.55 the Australian price today is $23.00.


 


The $7 Billion dollars a year that Labor had planned on, from the carbon tax & have spent, will not be eventuating for this failed Labor  party.


 


The dead parrot effect is on show all over the place now. Gillard & her policies are never going to eventuate, why? because she & her failed party will not be around.


 


Even China has pulled back from this Government knowing that they will not be dealing with this lot.


 


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-great-carbon-scheme-that-went-up-in-smoke/story-fnfenwor-1226623841600

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Grahame Richardson has a lot to say about this great big LIE..   Yes he must now be the enemy as he writes for that evil Murdoch empire..... 


 


Full story here http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-great-carbon-scheme-that-went-up-in-smoke/story-fnfenwor-1226623841600


 


 


His (Grahame Richardson)  last paragraph in the above story says it all


 


My father was a trade union secretary who was a pretty smart guy. He told me when I was but a boy that when you get it wrong you "get out quick". He always said you should admit your mistake and repair the damage.


 


There is barely an Australian left who doesn't think our carbon tax is a crock. Yet no one in this government has the courage or the honesty to stand up and admit it.


 


 


 


 

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just a tip lightningdance, if you say "you lied to you were black in the face' around someone who's skin colour may meet that description I can assure you that they may very well take offence . 


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As I replied before,  the day I take a tip from the likes of you will be a long time coming. Calling the race card is something you should take seriously & not as a spiteful reaction because I'm not a Lab Luvvie.


Shame on you.......................report this as well as alI the others

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Grahame Richardson has a lot to say about this great big LIE..   Yes he must now be the enemy as he writes for that evil Murdoch empire..... 


 


Full story here http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-great-carbon-scheme-that-went-up-in-smoke/story-fnfenwor-1226623841600


 


 


His (Grahame Richardson)  last paragraph in the above story says it all


 


My father was a trade union secretary who was a pretty smart guy. He told me when I was but a boy that when you get it wrong you "get out quick". He always said you should admit your mistake and repair the damage.


 


There is barely an Australian left who doesn't think our carbon tax is a crock. Yet no one in this government has the courage or the honesty to stand up and admit it.


 


 


 


 



Grahame Richardson also said "'The $23 carbon price that was the centrepiece of her carbon tax looked dodgy then and just plain st...


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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I watched the global warming scare this week drowning in a pool of red ink, right on my television screen.


 


I don’t just mean Climate Change Minister Greg Combet being forced yesterday to eat his mendacious words, having blown a gigantic hole in the Budget .


 


First there was Monday night’s Q&A on the ABC, where students fired earnest questions at Prime Minister Julia Gillard on such things as bad sexism, poor boat people, and evil Israel.



But not one of these well-coached idealists asked a question on global warming.


 


When Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister faced students on Q&A in 2010, he was asked at least a dozen.


 


Back then, and after, Labor was so sure global warming was the new moral crusade that it gave us a carbon tax we didn’t want and didn’t vote for.


 


It was just as sure – and just as wrong – the rest of the world would also impose stiff carbon taxes, so we would not be alone in driving up power prices and killing jobs .



Greg Combet was so certain that he last year linked Australia’s carbon trading scheme - to replace the carbon tax in 2015 - to Europe’s, the world’s biggest.


 


He was betting a committed Europe would ramp up its own price to $29.


 


The Government then figured how much it would earn from all that loot – and blew the lot, with $1.4 billion promised in tax cuts from 2015.


 


You couldn’t tell Combet he was mad – Europe was too broke to slug business like that.


But now the truth can be denied no longer.


 


Europe’s price is bogged at under $5, and if it’s still near that by 2015, the Budget will have a hole north of $7 billion a year.


 


So Combet was sent out yesterday to admit the promised tax cuts, meant to compensate for the tax, would not be paid.


 


But the full story is that the $23 carbon tax Labor gave us last year has been entirely for nothing.


 


In two years the price will fall to a fraction.


 


Companies will simply wait for that rather than invest in expensive technology to cut their emissions – which wouldn’t change the global temperature anyway, even had it risen these past 15 years.


 


 


What a colossal folly. What a criminal waste.


 


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/column_combet_announces_the_death_of_the_warming_scare/


 



 

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It was always only another desperate tax grab.


 


yes it may have saved a bit of electricity, but only due to the poor not being able to afford to use it.


 


 

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