Culling Humanity

[poddster]

What group would you start with?

[icyfroth]

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@vicr3000 wrote:
Icy

We culled the natives here in Aus as well. It was only about 1929 or 1930 that the last 'hunt' occurred.

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Yes but we don't talk about that, Vic. We sweep it under the carpet. The brits like to do that while poking the finger at other nations.

gotta go cook dinner.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

Has anyone thought that there may be occasions when a cull of any type could mean the survival of the species, including humanity?

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Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all spring to mind. They not only thought about it, but put those thoughts into practice, and while their aim  may not have been strictly survival of the species, I'm pretty sure they rhought it would improve the gene pool.

You're very good at bringing up other nationalities She-el and being all holier-than-thou in your British arrogance.

I notice you didn't bring up how British investors saw to it that whole regions of America were cleared by death or displacement of the indigenous Indian population.

Then to imported their own white slaves, the convicts they needed to accomodate, to work on the tobacco and cotton plantations. Until the source of convicts dried up and they brought in black slaves from Africa to take the convict's place.

How they starved the Irish off their lands to seize the land  to make way for their sheep and wool production.

How they solved the problem of the Irish who fought back, by transporting them to the "new" land of Australia, under most brutal conditions. The "new land" where they'd used similar practises as they did in America to drive the indigenous population off their lands, also by death and displacement.

How their used the convicts in a form of white slavery to open up the land for cultivation.

How they let 144, 000 Boer women and children die of starvation in the concentration camps at Bloemfontein to bring the Boer resistance fighters to heel.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/women-children-white-concentration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-190...

Want to talk about human culling? That "springs to mind" for me.

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There is no doubt about it, the UK has a lot to answer for - for all the reasons you have mentioned. However, this thread is about culling, not exploitation. The UK government set out to exploit the native populations of the countries they ruled, and while  this certainly lead to the misery, and often death of untold numbers of people,  there was never an official policy of the British Empire to eradicate entire native populations. Even in Tasmania, the virtual extinction of the indigenous population was brought about by arrogance and incompetence, not by design.

 Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot on the other hand, deliberately and systematically set about the extermination of whole sections of society in the countries they ruled. That is what is meant by culling.

[amber-eyed-girl]

I answered the initial thread question, and yours. If you read my posts but failed to understand them, I cannot help you further.

[carbon-proksi]

This thread caught my attention due to an article i read in a mag recently regarding the state of human evolution.

While many in the spiritual ( "New Age" if you like) community go on and on about how humans, as a species,

are either highly evolved or humanity is on the cusp of global Enlightenment,

this article painted, i think, a more realistic picture describing how humanity, when analyzing historical documents,

examines how we humans are not as advanced\evolved\enlightened as we may think.

As i read this article, this scene from 2001 A space Oddyssy came to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wstIBq2H0z8

Here we have our ancient ancestors killing each other for the sole possession of resources. (sound familiar?)

One group of "cavemen" attacking the other group to have control\ownership of the waterhole.

And there are still humans today who have no problem in kiilling other humans for earth's resources,

whether these individuals do the actual killing themselves or they influence others to do the killing for them.

We humans have been around for thousands of years, yet there are still many who simply have not evolved,

who have not developed heart and mind to be able to live in loving non harmful harmony with others.

And as i read some of the posts here of people who perceive that killing other humans is morally ok,

it seems quite evident to me that some people simply have not internally developed beyond the capacity of knuckle dragging neanderthals.

And i do not say this in an insulting manner, rather, in a compassionate tone, stating the simple facts of the reality of the situation, because based on my own conscious self development journey, i know all too well how easy it is to not be aware of self, 

and that in this low self aware state, how easy it was for me to do horrible things to others and think it was ok to do.

Granted, as an optimist and idealist, i do see many who are evolving beyond the "Survival of the fittest", "Every man for themself", "Kill or be killed", "It's s dog eat dog world" mentality, and the tide will turn for humanity as more and more people develop love and compassion while reducing fear and hate...but i still facepalm when i read posts like these where people calmly state that they have no problem in murdering or the murder of other people.

And though i am not a religious person, I am still impressed by Jesus' attitude and understanding

when they nailed him to the cross and many were joyously mocking and insulting him,

revelling as they watched him being killed, convinced murdering him was a good thing to do.

He simply said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Even way back then, some understood how ignorance and low self awareness creates blinds spots in people's mindtanks,

that results in them performing attrocities that they see nothing wrong with.

For some people, anything can be justified in order to obtain what they want\desire.

[carbon-proksi]

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@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
I answered the initial thread question, and yours. If you read my posts but failed to understand them, I cannot help you further.

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I can see you answered the OP question.

I can see you answered my question.

I am quite confident i understand your attitude towards Sports hunters,

and that i expressed this understanding in my last response to you.

I never expressed i required any more help from you in any matter other than answering one question

so that i may understand your self confessed ignorance regarding Sports hunter's.

[amber-eyed-girl]

The sports hunters I know, kill for the challenge of the hunt and pride in the kill. An adrenalin rush. If they want to participate in a kill of animals, let them decide what type they hunt. Back to the answer for the OP

As mentioned already. I know a great deal about hunting for practical use and purely sport.

[opmania]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@vicr3000 wrote:
A bit judgemental ?

You call it sport, most call it hunting for food, meat, skin.

Very little hunting is done for sport.

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Really? When was the last time a hunter wore the skin of an animal it killed?

Hunting is for plain old dumbnuts.

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eskimos hunt and still wear animal skins would you cull them

[i-need-a-martini]

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@opmania wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@vicr3000 wrote:
A bit judgemental ?

You call it sport, most call it hunting for food, meat, skin.

Very little hunting is done for sport.

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Really? When was the last time a hunter wore the skin of an animal it killed?

Hunting is for plain old dumbnuts.

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eskimos hunt and still wear animal skins would you cull them

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I think you will find that most Inuits wear western clothes these days albeit designed along traditional ways.

[ladydeburg]

The British atrocity's are legion. Not to mention they massacred hundreds of Aborigines here.

They raped every land they encountered, they destroyed whole cedar forests in Australia and all the money went back to England for barons to build obscene mansions and fill them with untold riches.