on 30-05-2013 10:55 PM
OK folks, I need advice. the Elephants are looking for a new car. Our little shopping trolley (Suzuki Swift) has served us faithfully for 21 years and has nearly 300,000 ks on the clock, but it is now fast approaching retirement. We want something small, nippy and cheap to run - a car that will only be used around town as we have a Lancer for longer runs.
Options we are looking at are Mitsubishi Mirage, Suzuki Alto, Volkswagon Up! Nissan Micra, or Mazda 2.
Which one would you recommend and why?
Or would you suggest something other than any of these. (I would dearly love a smart for 2 but Mr Elephant says no and anyway they are a bit outside of our budget.)
on 31-05-2013 04:30 AM
Mitsubishi Mirage was a major player in the small car scene in Australia during the 1970s and into the ‘80s. Indeed it was built in Adelaide for much of its time on sale here. Mirage faded from the local scene when the local branch of the giant Japanese company got into financial strife and closed its factories, but has now reappeared.
The new Mirage has a price list beginning at a very low $12,990, plus on-roads, and takes on the established Suzuki Alto, Nissan Micra, Holden Barina in the cheap and cheerful class.
DESIGN
Mirage has a modern youthful face with its wide-eyed headlamps and curvaceous bonnet. The narrow grille opening and front bumper acts as an air dam at its corners to ensure optimum airflow around the front, while a roof-mounted rear spoiler also plays a part in improving aerodynamics.
The Mirage has a respectable co-efficient of friction of 0.31, something that’s not easy to achieve in a car of this diminutive size.
The sixth generation Mitsubishi Mirage comes from Thailand and is sold in Australia in three specification levels: Mirage ES, ES Sport and LS.
Interior styling of the Mirage LS that we have been testing over the past week features a glossy piano black centre panel adding a premium quality. Silver accents enhance the gearshift panel, gear knob and air-conditioning vents along with chrome door handles, while seats are clothed in a soft, waffle-weave fabric in black and purple.
For a small car, 3710 mm long, 1665 mm wide and 1500 mm tall, headroom and rear legroom are impressive. A tight turning circle of 9.2 metres makes the Mirage nicely manoeuvrable in squeezy parking spots. All-round driver visibility is excellent thanks to a low belt-line.
Our Mirage swallowed a week’s grocery shopping with ease, and with the rear seatback folded, three 20 kilogram bags of chook food.
EQUIPMENT
All variants come with CD player, two speakers, USB and AUX input. The LS, has two additional speakers plus climate control air-conditioning. There’s the convenience of automatic headlamps, rain-sensing wipers and keyless operation with push-button engine starting.
SAFETY
A five-star safety rating for the Mirage has been achieved thanks to the use of Mitsubishi’s RISE body design which provides an impact-absorbing front end in addition to a rigid cabin structure with extensive use of high-tensile steel.
Standard equipment includes six airbags (driver and front passenger, side and curtain), ABS anti-skid braking with Electronic Brake force Distribution and Active Stability Control which works to maintain stability and prevent loss of control while cornering.
The front seats with adjustable head rests have been designed to reduce whiplash injury in a rear-end crash.
Front bumper, headlamps, bonnet and fenders are of an energy-absorbing design to minimise leg injuries to pedestrians in a collision. The energy-absorbing cowl top and wipers are designed to reduce pedestrian head injury.
ENGINE
The 1.2-litre three-cylinder engine uses a variable valve timing system that matches intake valve timing to engine speed and load to squeeze out 57 kW of power at 6000 rpm and maximum torque of 100 Nm at 4000 revs. The willing little powerplant is mated to either a five-speed manual or an efficient CVT automatic.
The CVT in our test vehicle had the three-cylinder engine sounding a bit rough around the edges. You can choose to find that irritating, or call it character. We plumped for the latter and really enjoyed the sound and feel of this cheerful little machine.
DRIVE IMPRESSIONS
On the road the Mirage has a similarly happy feeling, refinement is pretty good, all the more so when you take into account the very low price.
Handling is safe and secure though not what you call sporting. At the highest speeds likely to be attempted by most owners there’s plenty in reserve, with understeer that comes in as the limit approaches to scrub speed off.
Ride is good on all but the roughest of roads, where the Mirage tends to get bumped about a fair bit. As a suburban car it’s more than adequate, though we wouldn't really suggest it for prolonged country trips.
Typical fuel consumption will be in the five to six litres per hundred kilometre range in country driving, and seven to nine litres in tough commuting.
VERDICT
A great buy at a very modest price, the all-new Mitsubishi Mirage definitely leans in the ‘cheerful’ direction in the ‘cheap and cheerful’ class in Australia. One that’s definitely worth a high place on your shortlist.
MODEL RANGE
Mirage ES 1.2-litre five-door hatch: $12,990 (manual), $15,240 (CVT)
Mirage ES Sport 1.2-litre five-door hatch: $14,190 (manual), $16,440 (CVT)
Mirage LS 1.2-litre five-door hatch: $15,490 (manual), $17,740 (CVT)
Mitsubishi Mirage LS 1.2-litre five-door hatch
Price: from $17,740
Warranty: 5-year, 24-hour roadside assistance
Engine: 1.2-litre 3-cylinder, 57kW/100Nm
Transmission: CVT, FWD
Turning circle: 4.6 m
Weight: 890 kg (CVT)
Thirst: 4.9 L/100 km, CO2 115 g/km
Greenhouse Rating: 8.5/10
Air Pollution Rating: 6.5/10
I dont trust the mitsubishi brand, for what you want, personally i'd go the Vdub
on 31-05-2013 05:24 AM
rather than reading and copy and pasting veiled advertisements when I am asked to help with a vehicle decision..... I google the bad bits
...... the good bits I will leave to the "experts"
search with keywords "Mitsubishi mirage 2013 recall lemon " gleans this info.
You don't expect reviews that are written by those that are paid by the vehicle makers to mention little things like my copy and ppaste below do you??
http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/redirect.php?h=Mitsubishi_s_Mirage_recalled_for_brake_steering_fix&artid=2170966
then
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/63A9065941DF039ACA257B650024E3EC
MITSUBISHI is recalling more than 3300 of its city-friendly Mirage hatchbacks after noticing the front wheel speed sensors didn’t like wet weather.
The Japanese car-maker has identified a problem with the sensor harness on the wheel, with moisture creeping in due to “insufficient waterproofing”.
In turn, this would “allow moisture to penetrate the sensor resulting in abnormal output signal”.
“This may result in various false warnings signals to illuminate on the dashboard,
” Mitsubishi said in a document filed with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.
“In addition, the braking force could reduce and/or steering control could become unstable and pose a crash hazard to the driver and other road users.”
The car-maker said owners would be notified of the recall by letter, and invited to arrange an inspection and repair.
on 31-05-2013 05:28 AM
suzuki alto lemon search
http://en.responsejp.com/article/2013/02/01/190132.html
on 31-05-2013 05:31 AM
VW up
http://www.caradvice.com.au/221377/volkswagen-china-recall-384000-vehicles-600m/
A recall in China of more than 384,000 Volkswagen Group vehicles could cost the German manufacturer over $600 million, according to overseas reports.
Industry journal Automotive News Europe reports the 384,181 Volkswagen Group vehicles were recalled to repair defective gearboxes following reports of abnormal vibrations, loss of power and sudden acceleration in vehicles fitted with Volkswagen’s dual-clutch (DSG) automatic transmissions.
In an email statement, Volkswagen Group said it was recalling vehicles with its seven-speed DSG transmission and would bear the costs of replacing defective equipment and upgrading relevant software.
on 31-05-2013 05:37 AM
Nissan Micra..... finding it hard to find too much "dirt" on this model
http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/redirect.php?h=Recall_roundup_Nissan_Micra_and_Cube&artid=2212022
on 31-05-2013 05:44 AM
which leaves the Mazda 2
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/mazda2/
My mazda 2, 2012 model has been in the workshop 4 times since
... And yet I can't get it fixed due to no parts available in Australia SO this is my protest against MAZDA.
... They should recall most of their models but don't due to the cost
See if the salesman can "help" you with this complaint
on 31-05-2013 08:20 AM
which leaves the Mazda 2
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/mazda2/
My mazda 2, 2012 model has been in the workshop 4 times since
... And yet I can't get it fixed due to no parts available in Australia SO this is my protest against MAZDA.
... They should recall most of their models but don't due to the cost
See if the salesman can "help" you with this complaint
I cant see that comment on that link...
I am looking at the same group of cars, but I'll be buying secondhand, probably 2-4 years old. I was tossing up betwen Mazda 2 and Yaris as they are the most available in my price range.
Got any dirt on the Yaris viewmont?
on 31-05-2013 08:21 AM
Whatever you decide She ele best thing is to go test drive each model your interested in to form you own opinion of them.
I test drove a Mazda 2 when I was looking as initially I only wanted a small car and it left me flat though quite 'zippy' to drive it is a sparse inside now in comparison to it's nearest equivalent being the Ford Fiesta which I had a loaner car for the day whilst my hubby's Focus was being serviced that was an excellent little car that handled it's own on the Freeway though takes some getting used to the European setup for indicators and wipers (yes I kept hitting the wipers for indicating :^O )
I have no comment on the Mirage but it begs the question at it's price for what it's got in it, something has been compromised somewhere.
However I do love my Mazda3 😄 but that is the same size car range as your Lancer so not what you are after.
I guess it's all about what you like and want, so test drive all the one's you like to gauge them.
on 31-05-2013 08:37 AM
joz my other post came out wrong I didn't mean it to "sound" like it did I apologize.
The Toyota Yaris is not tops on the nrma most economical list. see links below The list has some good info
There is a drop down menu for advertisements reviews on the right hand side
http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/buy-sell/buying-advice/car-operating-costs.htm
try this calculator
http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/buy-sell/buying-advice/car-operating-costs/top-10-cars.htm#Light%20cars%20under
There is an average cost for "smash repair" comparison somewhere but I cannot find it at the moment.
Replacement part costs are "generally" cheaper for Australian assembled cars
on 31-05-2013 08:53 AM
joz my other post came out wrong I didn't mean it to "sound" like it did I apologize.
The Toyota Yaris is not tops on the nrma most economical list. see links below The list has some good info
There is a drop down menu for advertisements reviews on the right hand side
http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/buy-sell/buying-advice/car-operating-costs.htm
try this calculator
http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/buy-sell/buying-advice/car-operating-costs/top-10-cars.htm#Light%20cars%20under
There is an average cost for "smash repair" comparison somewhere but I cannot find it at the moment.
Replacement part costs are "generally" cheaper for Australian assembled cars
I dont like the way they rate the top 10.....based on price to buy? Under $20,000 of course the most economical will be the 1 & 1.2 litres. They'd be better off rating them based on motor size or something.
The calculator is helpful though