Denial or seeking to deny man-made global warming

Aptly enough imo Prince Charles refered to climate change deniers as the headless chicken brigade .

 

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Should Australian newspapers publish climate change denialist opinion pieces?

 
Should Australian newspapers, like Fairfax, publish opinion pieces that deny or seek to cast doubt on man-made global warming
 

Should Fairfax — or other media publishers — give a platform for climate change denialist opinion pieces?

The most recent example is Fairfax publishing a piece by John McLean, a member of the International Climate Science Coalition.

In the opinion piece, McLean repeats various lines designed to create uncertainty about the recent report by Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and to impute a sinister motive on IPCC members of political and scientific deception.

 

 
 
 
 

When Fairfax saw mining billionaire Gina Rinehart buy a large stake in the company, the chairman Roger Corbett upheld the board's support for the charter of editorial independence. This was opposed at the time by Rinehart, although Rinehart board appointee Jack Cowin signed it.

 

Coincidentally, Rinehart is a big supporter of ICSC policy advisor Christopher Monckton and in a 2011 interview expressed her disbeliefthat "a small amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" could lead to global warming.

 

The Rinehart shareholding controversy even saw Fairfax mastheadslaunch a new slogan "Independent. Always."

A part of the charter is that editors behave according to the Australian Journalist Association's code of ethics, the first standard being that journalists:

Report and interpret honestly, striving for accuracy, fairness and disclosure of all essential facts.  Do not suppress relevant available facts, or give distorting emphasis.


At the same time that Reddit /r/science decided to ban climate denialism, the L.A. Times also decided to introduce an editorial policy for its letters pages. Editor Paul Thornton wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 
How does publication of  such fit with Australian Journalists Code of Ethics ?
Should we follow the lead of other Countries ?
 
nb please feel free to expand on this title and opening post in the manner which is the norm with general discussions.
 
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@izabsmiling wrote:

Siggie, too much use of the emotive  and offensive in that article for me to even read it let alone give it any credit.


Spoken like a true "Global Warming Nazi"  Iza.........you have answered my question.



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@izabsmiling wrote:

Silverfaun, do you think it OK for a newspaper to publish "there is no evidence that smoking is bad for your health " ?

do you think they should be accountable  for any damages caused by those messages if they do ?


no, people are accountable for their own actions and cant blames others for the mistakes they make

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Climate change deniers swamped in NIWA court challenge

 

BUSINESSDESK: A lobby group set up to challenge claims that humans are causing climate change has lost a High Court challenge to National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research data showing rising temperatures in New Zealand between 1909 and 2009.

 

RAW DATA: NZ Climate Science vs NIWA - The judgment of Justice Venning (PDF)

 

Judge Geoffrey Venning threw out claims by the NZ Climate Science Education Trust that the Crown Research Institute known as NIWA breached its statutory duties, were mistaken in fact, failed to consider mandatory considerations and acted unreasonably in publishing its work.

 

NIWA will be entitled to costs, which are yet to be set, as a result of the case, Justice Venning's judgment says.

"The plaintiff does not succeed on any of its challenges to the three decisions of NIWA in issue. The application for judicial review is dismissed and judgment entered for the defendant."

 

Some evidence in the case was ruled inadmissible, including that of Terry Dunleavy, a former journalist who is a founding member of the trust and secretary of the associated NZ Climate Science Coalition.

 

Justice Venning says Dunleavy "has no applicable qualifications" and "his interest in the area does not sufficiently qualify him as an expert".

 

He also questioned the credentials of Bob Dedekind, a computer modelling and statistical analyst whose "general expertise in basic statistical techniques does not extend to any particular specialised experience of qualifications in the specific field of applying statistical techniques in the field of climate science".

 

The trust's case stems back to the publication in 1999 by NIWA of a statistical trend series of nationally averaged annual mean surface temperature trends in New Zealand since 1853, known as the Seven Station Temperature Series, or 7SS, which indicates a warming trend of about 0.9 degrees Centigrade from 1909 to 2009.

The work relied on research compiled by climate scientist Jim Salinger.

 

The coalition criticised the accuracy of 7SS and in response NIWA published an 11 Station Temperature Series, or 11SS, in late 2009. A year later, NIWA published a review of 7SS. All the work supported the conclusion that New Zealand's climate warmed in the 100 years to 2009.

 

It was this body of work that the trust challenged in seeking a judicial review in proceedings started in July 2010.

"I am satisfied that the methodology applied by NIWA was in accordance with internationally recognised and credible scientific methodology," Justice Venning says.

 

According to the coalition's nzclimatescience.net website, the group's aim is to "represent accurately, and without prejudice, facts regarding climate change; to provide considered opinion on matters related to both natural and human-caused climate effects; and to comment on the economic and socio-political consequences of climate change".

It includes links to articles such as Why The 'Warmists' Are Wrong About Climate Change.

 

A wikipedia entry on the coalition cites an article published on the hot-topic.co.nz global warming blog that says the Heartland Institute, a US body "that plays a key role in organised climate denial", made a $US25,000 grant to the NZ Climate Science Coalition.

 

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/climate-change-deniers-shot-down-high-court-challenge-niwa-bd-127869

 

 

 

Michael Mann Defamation Case Rolls On January 23, 2014

 

 

Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable. So said DC Superior Court Frederick Weisberg in tossing out motions by defendants National Review et al. to dismiss Prof. Michael Mann’s defamation complaint — thus moving the case a step toward discovery proceedings and a jury trial.

 

 

 

http://climatecrocks.com/2014/01/23/michael-mann-closing-in-on-deniers-in-court/

 

 

 

facts beat emotive rhetoric, hyperbole and  Fallacious arguments don't they Siggie ?

 

 

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@chuk_77 wrote:

@izabsmiling wrote:

Silverfaun, do you think it OK for a newspaper to publish "there is no evidence that smoking is bad for your health " ?

do you think they should be accountable  for any damages caused by those messages if they do ?


no, people are accountable for their own actions and cant blames others for the mistakes they make


exactly chuk and as any responsible professional recognises...they are responsible for what they do in their profession.

They have a duty of care as a professional and to the public (in fact every Australian has responsibilities to the community not just rights for themselves )

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@izabsmiling wrote:

@chuk_77 wrote:

@izabsmiling wrote:

Silverfaun, do you think it OK for a newspaper to publish "there is no evidence that smoking is bad for your health " ?

do you think they should be accountable  for any damages caused by those messages if they do ?


no, people are accountable for their own actions and cant blames others for the mistakes they make


exactly chuk and as any responsible professional recognises...they are responsible for what they do in their profession.

They have a duty of care as a professional and to the public (in fact every Australian has responsibilities to the community not just rights for themselves )


You cant blame other people for what you do. I could tell you that you can fly if you jump off a building if you want to believe that, then its your fault when you get hurt. Its up to you to see if Im right before you decide to jump. Journo's have a duty to sell papers, end of!  you have a responsibility to your self, no one else is responsible for you

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If I go to work and ignore my professional duty of care .

I am at fault for doing that...no one else.

Aren't you the same ?

 

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media do not have a duty of care towards your health, simple. Its up to you and no one else to learn the truth of whatever.

Gee, no wonder we live in blame filled society with a sue everyone mentality 

Does anyone take responsibility for their own actions any more?

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I'm not sure why you think the media have no responsibilities and/or shouldn't be accountable for their OWN actions ?

I find it bizarre .

 

 

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i find it bizzare that you think they have a duty of care to the public. Their job is sell to sell the media they work for, no more no less. They get it wrong on a daily basis.  am*3 said something similar back there.

cat said back there that if you want to research something dont do it f through the papers or words to the effect

 

Their aim is to sell papers and they will do that by what ever means necessary. Its been that way from day dot. Why is it a big deal?

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It's one thing to say that they may not abide by their professional responsibilties ...

but something else entirely to state as fact that they don't have any

that is factually incorrect

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