on 20-04-2014 10:21 PM
As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed. The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.![]()
This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.
and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598
Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says
The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.
Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).
But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.
"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.
on 09-08-2014 02:15 PM
Australia's leading women's website Mamamia is calling on MP Kevin Andrews, Cory Bernardi, Bernie Finn and Robert Clark to withdraw from the World Congress of Families conference.
"Sign this petition to help us send a strong message to Mr Clark and the other attending Australian politicians that endorsing this unscientific, repugnant conference is not alright by us.
If you believe in science, in tolerance, in the capabilities of single parents, and in a woman's right to control her own fertility, we invite you to stand with us.
"is not alright by us."
It would appear that tolerance is not universal, but limited to, or in the eye of (cyclops) the beholder !
Descartes, who?
09-08-2014 02:27 PM - edited 09-08-2014 02:29 PM
I am so one eyed about politics that I voted for one of those men in at least the last 3 state elections
I have recently changed my mind about doing that again though , because it's not alright by me
Paints, not so sure about all that, I think they're just those crazy right to lifers who want to take away women's rights and nutters who want to take us backwards by about 50 years
09-08-2014 02:40 PM - edited 09-08-2014 02:43 PM
ref.
Committee on Women, Population, and the Environment
at Adelphi University
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Having done further research on all this caper AND thought about what the MEDIA are purporting that Abetz was trying/meaning to say in 'that' interview a few days ago........I don't think this issue is about pro-lifers OR politics but it is about all about women and pharmaceutical companiestrying to protect their profits $$$$'s, reputations and legal liabilities and their little***bleepers*** ....this is my opinion anyways and I'm sticking to it.
Perhaps pharmaceutical makers of drugs like RU 486, that supposedly induce abortion, have had legal claims put to them and back in 1996 and since the then Australian politicians were aware that this particular drug had questionable side-effects? and they felt that they should do all they could to prevent it's use/ongoing use by women????
I feel this could be the case because these websites have 'dead end' links in them.....the info in each website is 'twisted' and I don't feel that they are legitimate at all!
Does not mean that I support Coalition or Abetz BUT I smell a rat and it's got a chemical smell to it.
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debs said:
Paints, not so sure about all that, I think they're just those crazy right to lifers who want to take away women's rights and nutters who want to take us backwards by about 50 years
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No I disagree Debs. I am not a supporter of Coalition or Abetz but I think pharmaceutical company supporters might be using underhanded tactics to protect their interests here. 'Twisting' events and what Abetz intended comments were during an interview perhaps......?
I stand by my opinion that this is not about politics.....someone is trying to twist truth to protect their INFESTORS $$$$'s interests.
IMO RU486 and other abortion inducing drugs may be proven to have caused breast cancer in women
.....disprove it beyond a doubt pls before I change my opinion on this.
on 09-08-2014 02:41 PM
@monman12 wrote:Australia's leading women's website Mamamia is calling on MP Kevin Andrews, Cory Bernardi, Bernie Finn and Robert Clark to withdraw from the World Congress of Families conference.
"Sign this petition to help us send a strong message to Mr Clark and the other attending Australian politicians that endorsing this unscientific, repugnant conference is not alright by us.
If you believe in science, in tolerance, in the capabilities of single parents, and in a woman's right to control her own fertility, we invite you to stand with us.
"is not alright by us."
It would appear that tolerance is not universal, but limited to, or in the eye of (cyclops) the beholder !
Descartes, who?
What are implying? that science tops nonscience unless it involves the control of women.
These men believe they have the right to decide for and argue about what decisions women should make in regard to her own life and body.
09-08-2014 02:44 PM - edited 09-08-2014 02:45 PM
@paintsew007 wrote:
No I disagree Debs. I am not a supporter of Coalition or Abetz but I think pharmaceutical company supporters might be using underhanded tactics to protect their interests here. 'Twisting' events and what Abetz intended comments were during an interview perhaps......?
I stand by my opinion that this is not about politics.....someone is trying to twist truth to protect their INFESTORS $$$$'s interests.
IMO RU486 may be proven to have caused breast cancer in women
.....disprove it beyond a doubt pls before I change my opinion on this.
There was no twisting of Erica's words. He has expressed the same sentiment many times in the past and will probably continue to do so. Did you hear the bit about women taking the pill being more likely to get into incest and violent partners?
No, there was also no mention of RU486 in the interview at all.
on 09-08-2014 02:45 PM
have to laugh sometimes
Gotta spend money to recover money!
If there’s one thing that we all know is a terrible idea, it’s having an educated and skilled populace. After all, what has knowing stuff ever done for us?
That’s why we all appreciate that universities are, at best, fripperies - pointless luxuries that have absolutely no bearing on the quality of human life. You know they’re worthless empty buildings, which is why surgery is carried out by enthusiastic amateurs on buses and sewerage systems were designed and built by helpful municipal elves.
So it just makes sense to stop funding them, and to make it cripplingly expensive for people to go there. Hey, we don’t subsidise the rollercoaster ticket prices at Australia’s Wonderland, so why should we support someone working tirelessly for years to learn to save human lives? They’re basically the same thing, right?
After all, the first question on applications for entry to a PhD programme in any discipline is “Are you enrolling in this course of higher study for a) bleep or b) giggles?”
This is the opinion held by people who decide whether or not the Australian government should fund unis. And they should know, since they already have their degrees and therefore already have all the professional and personal benefits that accrue as a result. Privilege is only privilege when someone else has it, after all.
09-08-2014 04:02 PM - edited 09-08-2014 04:04 PM
@paintsew007 wrote:
No I disagree Debs. I am not a supporter of Coalition or Abetz but I think pharmaceutical company supporters might be using underhanded tactics to protect their interests here. 'Twisting' events and what Abetz intended comments were during an interview perhaps......?
I stand by my opinion that this is not about politics.....someone is trying to twist truth to protect their INFESTORS $$$$'s interests.
IMO RU486 may be proven to have caused breast cancer in women
.....disprove it beyond a doubt pls before I change my opinion on this.
There was no twisting of Erica's words. He has expressed the same sentiment many times in the past and will probably continue to do so. Did you hear the bit about women taking the pill being more likely to get into incest and violent partners?
No, there was also no mention of RU486 in the interview at all.
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I stick by my opinion.
Smoke and mirrors.
I am not an anti-abortionist .
Women's health is my point - this is the paramountly important issue here, not politics.....I frankly do not give credence to the deflective approach that is being given to some sort of political agenda when the important matter is transparency about pharmaceutical drugs that have possible links to causing breast cancer in women.
Both Coalition AND ALP members have spoken about this issue putting these types of abortion causing drugs in a very, very negative light.
09-08-2014 05:27 PM - edited 09-08-2014 05:28 PM
"IMO RU486 may be proven to have caused breast cancer in women." It may be proven to cause red noses, but that is unlikely.
P007 that is just that, an opinion. You also believe in chemtrails, an assortment of MH370 nonsensical scenarios, and weather manipulation by use of ionising RF transmissions, all of which you have no expertise in, or knowledge of.
AMA Supports Use of RU-486 for Termination of Pregnancy
In 2005, mifepristone was included in the World Health Organization's (WHO) Essential Medicines List.
Mifepristone has been tested extensively and used safely and effectively worldwide since 1981, and in the United States since 2000., and Australia since 2006
FDA's approval was based on three "adequate and well-controlled" studies three clinical trials (a large U.S. trial and two French trials) and safety data from a post-marketing database of over 620,000 women in Europe who had had a medical termination of pregnancy (approximately 415,000 of whom had received the combination regimen of mifepristone together with the drug misoprostol)
However, if you have a contrary opinion to the wealth of supportive medical information, and lacking any associated knowledge, produce the trials/papers to support your "opinion", otherwise it will bundled in with your well known conspiracies and nutty scientific opinions.
on 09-08-2014 06:40 PM
Paints, I'm pretty sure abetzzz and his religious right mates aren't talking about the drug, it's only been around since 1980. I've just spent half an hour reading some of their views and they are cranks, the same woman who still spouts the abortion and breast cancer link also believes homosexuality can be cured. If I lived in melbourne I would be protesting outside their rubbish conference the entire time it is on. What a bunch of dangerous anti science bigots and all in the one place...nice.
on 10-08-2014 10:02 AM
