Diary of our stinking Govt.

[boris1gary]

As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed.  The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.

This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.

and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598

Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says

The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.

Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).

But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.

"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.

[Anonymous]

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@alexander*beetle wrote:

And this from Abbott today. "As someone who along with a bank owns a house in Sydney I do hope that our housing prices are increasing. I do want housing to be affordable, but nevertheless I also want house prices to be modestly increasing."

The Prime Minister of Australia who should be looking out for all Australians, those who are struggling to get into the housing market, those who are struggling to pay mortgages and rent, oh and you know, the homeless.  Didn't even enter his head. 

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you forgot the rest

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has welcomed increasing house prices in Sydney on the same day the head of Treasury voiced strong concerns about a developing housing bubble in the country's largest city. 

Asked by Labor leader Bill Shorten about John Fraser's comments earlier on Monday, Mr Abbott said housing affordability was important but that home owners like him would prefer to see house prices continue to rise in Sydney.

"As someone who, along with the bank, owns a house in Sydney I do hope our housing prices are increasing," Mr Abbott said in question time on Monday.

"I want housing to be affordable but nevertheless, I also want house prices to be modestly increasing.

"The important thing is to ensure that our economy is as strong as possible so that people have as much resources at their disposal as possible, have jobs, so they can go out there and buy the things they need, including the housing that they need."

Mr Abbott said that if Mr Shorten was concerned that "things are happening that shouldn't be happening" in the housing market then he should support the government's small business package to help stimulate the economy. 

Earlier in the day, the Treasury secretary delivered his strongest warning about housing affordability, saying he was worried an over-investment in housing spurred by low interest rates has led to housing bubbles in Sydney and parts of Melbourne.

"It does worry me that the historically low level of interest rates are encouraging people to perhaps over-invest in housing," Mr Fraser told Senate estimates hearings. 

Mr Fraser pointed to the proliferation of television home renovation shows, saying they are a sign of the way in which low interest rates are affecting Australia's culture. 

"I'm not talking just about buying housing, I'm talking about investing in housing. You've just gotta see a plethora of these renovation shows to realise something's amiss."

Mr Fraser said the major drivers of the housing bubble were low interest rates and easy access to finance, saying he was concerned about the amount of money being poured into the housing market with rates so low.

But the evidence of a housing bubble in the rest of Australia was not strong, he said.

It is the strongest line Treasury has taken on the question of housing bubbles. 

Mr Fraser says it is "rightly" getting a lot of attention and is occupying the interest of the Reserve Bank and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority.

He said the level of negative gearing in Australia was so popular because of the level of personal income tax, rather than the low level of interest rates and easy access to finance.

Jenny Wikinson, Deputy Secretary of Treasury's macroeconomic group, said the macro-prudential measures announced at the end of last year, and which are being applied by APRA to try to curb overinvestment in housing, are "predominantly focusing on the investor component on housing."

[debra9275]

thanks for your contribution Julia, but the whole article was already posted in the link.  Some people complain about long C & P's on here so it's a good idea to keep them short    ( I am always getting into trouble for posting C & P's)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-23/funding-cuts-to-housing-and-homelessness-programs/5984576

"I want housing to be affordable but nevertheless, I also want house prices to be modestly increasing

still a pretty strrange thing to say, he can't have it both ways

[monman12]

( I am always getting into trouble for posting C & P's)

Actually the  main trouble is (outside of no original input C&P's)  when you post comments that are plainly wrong e.g.

d9275: " you posted " shorten will be gone in a week" by Rowan Dean ( in March. I think that was,)" 

Show me the post.

 

[debra9275]

for the last time

in your post 12990 you posted

You keep mentioning Rowan Dean and an article I supposedly posted from him, so present it, because I really can not remember doing so,  and it should be easy to find. As for Bolt, I  guess you have memory problems ALSO!

 I HAVE

you posted this excerpt

Excerpt:

"Critics point to Mr Shorten's woeful Jon Faine interview as the moment that galvanised the backbench to act, although others point to an earlier interview on 7.30 with Leigh Sales as when the mood in the party room turned savagely against Mr Shorten.

"He got all the way through the Sales interview without saying a single thing, which was fantastic, and that is of course his job," another disgruntled backbencher said, "but then with two stupid words he went and blew the whole thing completely! 'Inclusive growth'.     What a disaster.    Now people will start to think we know how to manage the economy!"

Others mentioned the profound unease within the party over Mr Shorten's continued use of the word "values". "He keeps on banging on about 'Labor values' but of course as everyone knows, the only thing we value is getting back into power as fast as we can so we can get our hands on the loot and start dishing it out to dead people, public servants and paying off those union credit cards."

The AFR article was titled:

Bill Shorten's leadership tottering after 'let's have ideas' gaffe

More apt would be                      Bill Shorten's 'let's have ideas'  chuckle

from this Rowan Dean article

http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/bill-shortens-leadership-tottering-after-lets-have-ideas-gaffe...

in which he also claimed "shorten will be gone in a week  dated March 2015

[monman12]

""I want housing to be affordable but nevertheless, I also want house prices to be modestly increasing"

 still a pretty strrange thing to say, he can't have it both ways"

Nothing strange at all, he is a politician and looking at the 80% of the electorate:   a good proportion who own a house and also have investment properties, all of whom would bleat loudly if house prices even just stood still. 

Many investors (and owners) rely on capital gains and the 50%-1yr tax break together with negative gearing, both of which "lurks" the major parties  will not address for fear of losing votes from the gimme gimme electorate.

As for wanting houses to "be affordable" again a sop to voters,  but not under any party's control at all,  because outside of bullet biting legislation it is the electorate/public who are to blame,  together with the RBA interest rates set to prevent the spectre of inflation..

Anyway D9275 and AB,  leaving aside the cathartic belief  that it is all TA's fault (everything),   what would be your suggestions apropos the housing market and associated relevant legislation  (the Circus were in power for 6 years and did?)

[debra9275]

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@alexander*beetle wrote:

And this from Abbott today. "As someone who along with a bank owns a house in Sydney I do hope that our housing prices are increasing. I do want housing to be affordable, but nevertheless I also want house prices to be modestly increasing."

The Prime Minister of Australia who should be looking out for all Australians, those who are struggling to get into the housing market, those who are struggling to pay mortgages and rent, oh and you know, the homeless.  Didn't even enter his head. 

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increasing property prices are a good thing for those of us who own property... but not for everybody....  how do people get a start in the property market these days when they're also paying rent,

As someone who, along with the bank, owns a house in Sydney I do hope our housing prices are increasing," Mr Abbott said in question time on Monday.

"I want housing to be affordable but nevertheless, I also want house prices to be modestly increasing.

"The important thing is to ensure that our economy is as strong as possible so that people have as much resources at their disposal as possible, have jobs, so they can go out there and buy the things they need, including the housing that they need."

how are people supposed to get 'resources at their disposal"??

[monman12]

No I have never posted "" shorten will be gone in a week" as you have said, also I would never make (copy) such a silly statement even if I was matching one of yours.

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Saying you found the comment and it happened to be elsewhere  in an article that I just  happened to copy an excerpt from, and it happened (deliberately) that I did not link to,  is plainly not posting it,  but a fabrication on your part.

d9275: " you posted " shorten will be gone in a week" by Rowan Dean ( in March. I think that was,)" 

Show me my post wherein it contains " shorten will be gone in a week"

PS

Failing the above  I suggest you use the Captain's defence:

" it was a test to see if you and others picked it up."

[monman12]

Anyway D9275 and AB,  leaving aside the cathartic belief  that it is all TA's fault (everything),   what would be your suggestions apropos the housing market and associated relevant legislation  (the Circus were in power for 6 years and did nothing)

[debra9275]

What a lot t of nonsense.... Shorten will be gone within a week was in the first couple of paragraphs of the article before the exerpt you posted. it was the part of the article I remembered . You have insisted that any article I post means that I endorse it... Therefore you endorsed that article whether you posted all of it or part of it . At least I know where what I post comes from 😃😃

And i would,never repost or even read anything by rowan Dean, Bolt or pickering....

Have you ever posted anything from pickering here?

[debra9275]

post 13032

You must have a very poor memory and no, I'm not going back in the thread to find it. You've also posted numerous (un-named resource) comments from the Daily telegraph you posted them, you find them. I remember them very well so not neccessary for me to search for them."

What do I say other than:  you are full of  "codswallop" .   If you are challenged in a debate to confirm/authenticate a statement and are unable to, or avoid so doing,   the conclusion is that you are fabricating  that statement

The Board Advanced Search protocol is adequate, use it, otherwise frankly  without (believable) authentication I find it hard to believe I posted a Dean article. So I do not believe you. (ask the captain to search).

you did post from a Rowan Dean article- I did not 'fabricate' anything