on 20-04-2014 10:21 PM
As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed. The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.
This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.
and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598
Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says
The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.
Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).
But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.
"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.
on 10-07-2015 08:05 PM
Tony abbotts letter to the ABC today
on 10-07-2015 11:08 PM
Whether I posted after you or not, I wasn't responding to you... I remember it was polks. I was responding to:
"Oh, wasn't it me who posted Antony Green's article on why an early election couldn't be called? You must've missed my post..... That seems to happen a lot"
Actually if you had read Green's article you would have noticed that he never stated that "an early election couldn't be called , you must've missed that part.
As for your Google link to Windsor 2009 you might have missed that the article is headed:
Mining and the Liverpool Plains
The fight continues to disallow mining activities in the Liverpool Plains until
scientific knowledge of the groundwater and surface water is fully
understood.
Note the sensible qualification: "until"
Windsor is/was a level headed astute politician and he would not flatly oppose a mining development (unlike some) without calling for hydrological survey.
Making definitive statements without support calls for a challenge, and these answers are genuine chuckle material:
" I remember them very well so not neccessary for me to search for them.".
"I don't feel I have to "prove " anything to anyone as I already know..."
on 11-07-2015 12:34 AM
well, golly gosh
you said (post 13701)
BJ has done well maintaining his "fake" outrage for 6 years, and Windsor has his own political misinformation agenda which the MYOPS will quote, sans checking.
gleee said (post 13718)
The water trigger is about protecting the water system at risk from inappropriate coal mines.
It has always been about large coal mines in the Liverpool Plains area, as well as other areas. Mr Windsor has voiced his concerns numerous times about the Watermark/Shehua mine and expressed his concern about any new large mines on the Plains impact on the water resource.
I said (post 13729)
it sure does prove what you posted Glee, he has always said he does not oppose mining however he opposed this mine because of the potential damage it can do to the water system
so do you mean and Windsor has his own political misinformation agenda which the MYOPS will quote, sans checking.
OR
Windsor is/was a level headed astute politician and he would not flatly oppose a mining development (unlike some) without calling for hydrological survey
does he have his own political misinformation agenda or is he a level headed astute politician??
11-07-2015 12:50 AM - edited 11-07-2015 12:50 AM
it was demanded for 2 days that I "prove" that Tony Windsor fought this mine for a very long time
OK I give in
http://www.sixdegrees.org.au/taxonomy/term/1?page=3 (2009)
Farmers on the Liverpool Plains in New South Wales vowed to continue their campaign against the mining giant BHP Billiton after the courts upheld the company's unfettered right to access their properties against their will. But independant federal MP Tony Windsor says the decision will only strengthen the communities resolve, and warned BHP Billiton to prepare for renewed civil disobedience.
http://www.tonywindsor.com.au/newsletters/0907.pdf
http://www.tonywindsor.com.au/newsletters/0902.pdf
http://www.sixdegrees.org.au/content/court-ruling-strengthens-landholders-resolve
Federal MP Says Decision Will Bring on Direct Action
The independent federal MP for New England, Tony Windsor, who was at the court, said the decision would exacerbate tensions on the Liverpool Plains between the miners and farmers.
As Mr Windsor told the Sydney Morning Herald:
This will strengthen the opposition of landholders. The minister should never have granted the exploration licence to BHP.
BHP has good reason to be concerned. I think the decision will promote civil disobedience.
Windsor has demonstrated a long term commitment to the Liverpool Plains Blockade, which has now been in place for more than 10 months and has had over 3000 attendees.
on 11-07-2015 09:29 AM
How does Tony Windsor feel about the mine now??
Tony Windsor, the key independent MP who helped Labor retain government in 2010, says his anger at the approval of an open-cut mine near prime agricultural land on the Liverpool Plains could spur a political comeback.
The former New England MP said he was upset by the Government's decision to conditionally approve the Shenhua Watermark mine on the Liverpool Plains, and it was a strong reason to return
The former independent MP, who played a role in changing the rules around water and mine approvals, said the Chinese-owned mine would threaten the agricultural region's water resources
not happy by the sounds of it- -so from 2008 till now his view has not changed
as I said 2 days ago, Tony Windsor has spoken out and supported residents against this mine for a very long time
and i still say it. I am sorry for the residents who have to live around it
Barnarby Joyce?? I'm not aware of him "actively" doing anything apart from saying the mine shouldn't go ahead. Am I wrong??
on 11-07-2015 12:10 PM
"it was demanded for 2 days that I "prove" that Tony Windsor fought this mine for a very long time"
And you still have not demonstrated that. Windsor has consistently expressed the view that he requires assurances that the aquifer will not be adversely affected
Love the reference to "six degrees", "slightly" biased?
The Six Degrees campaign works with communities and groups across the state to reduce Queensland’s dependence on the coal industry
"But independent federal MP Tony Windsor says the decision will only strengthen the communities resolve, and warned BHP Billiton to prepare for renewed civil disobedience."
"Windsor has demonstrated a long term commitment to the Liverpool Plains Blockade, which has now been in place for more than 10 months and has had over 3000 attendees."
Gosh considering the couple of items above were produced in 2009 it is somewhat of an exaggeration to say it was, after 10 months, a : long term commitment to the Liverpool Plains , also if you consider, it was Windsor's "commitment" to the "blockade"
A definitive statement should stand up to scrutiny, so far the comment that Windsor has opposed "the mine" per se for a long time does not, he wisely uses a qualification, he is a politician
Simply put: Windsor does not want mining IF it mucks up the water.
on 11-07-2015 12:30 PM
you demanded "proof" that Tony Windsor has been outspoken against the mine and has supported the residents for a very long time
Windsor has demonstrated a long term commitment to the Liverpool Plains Blockade, which has now been in place for more than 10 months and has had over 3000 attendees.
you got it!!
11-07-2015 12:33 PM - edited 11-07-2015 12:33 PM
now I would like to see a link that proves
and Windsor has his own political misinformation agenda which the MYOPS will quote, sans checking.
otherwise that comment is just pure "CODSWALLOP"
11-07-2015 12:43 PM - edited 11-07-2015 12:45 PM
in 2009 the Liverpool Plains blockade had being going for 12 months ( supported by Tony Windosr)
it is now 2015 - it continues with the support of Tony Windsor - which is a long term commitment
so
Gosh considering the couple of items above were produced in 2009 it is somewhat of an exaggeration to say it was, after 10 months, a : long term commitment to the Liverpool Plains , also if you consider, it was Windsor's "commitment" to the "blockade
why do you continue to misinterpret the facts ??
on 11-07-2015 12:55 PM
I don't think this article is paywalled- lots of interest in political donations lately, here is a list compliled by Stephen Mayne from 2013 LNP
( correction to my last post - should be 10 months, not 12 months)