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boris1gary · ‎20-04-2014

As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed. The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.

This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.

and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598

Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says

The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.

Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).

But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.

"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.

***super_nova*** · ‎04-09-2014

@tall_bearded01 wrote:
So the point is - ah yes - he didn’t receive appropriate timely treatment.

Now having read the article, the one thing, and in fact the only thing worth noting is , it contains not one verifiable fact in support of the allegations made.

Well, the doctors diagnosed septicemia, which is not something that happens over night. Apparently he cut his foot 3 weeks ago and did not receive any treatment, although he and his family kept asking for it. Of-course, we do not have any proof they did that, but I think it safe to assume that when you have a badly infected painful wound you ask for something.

As we have not had any new arrivals, and the people in Christmas Island detention centre should have been processed within few months, there should be heaps of vacancies, and absolutely no reason why this unfinished expensive disaster hell hole of a camp on Manus Island was not shut down months ago, and the people moved elsewhere. Unless of-course, there is something TA is not telling us ..................... like that he knows the possibility of ending there is what really makes people decide not to get the boat. And people in the other camps are not being processed as fast as the government claims.

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Voltaire: “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” .

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Voltaire: “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” .

boris1gary · ‎04-09-2014

nerowulf, please stay on topic, a request made often by yourself on threads you begin, thanks.

boris1gary · ‎04-09-2014

Supernova, I wonder if there will be more re: pyne and brough

ashbygate

http://www.independentaustralia.net/ashbygate

tall_bearded01 · ‎04-09-2014

I haven’t made up my mind one way or the other. All I’m saying is, the information provided to date in no way provides a sound basis for any finding of fact.

Having spent a few years on the ground in places like this, I know how quickly something like this can become serious. Therefore if, at some time in the future, it’s proven on examination of the facts, that incompetence, complacency or just outright negligence, had a part to play, then we have laws to take care eventuality.

But, I for one will not be calling for a rope, until the facts have been established.

boris1gary · ‎04-09-2014

I have no confidence that we will find out the truth until there is a change in Govt. Then there should be a RC into the whole sorry mess.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/hamid-kehazaei-the-australian-government-must-e...

Hamid Kehazaei: The Australian government must explain why he received inadequate care

Processing asylum seekers is an immigration decision, but ensuring their health is an issue of human rights. The two positions are not, and must not be, mutually exclusive

We should all be deeply concerned about reports of a 24-year-old Iranian, Hamid Kehazaei, recently flown to the Australian mainland from Manus Island after a cut on his foot developed into septicaemia. He is now on life support and the most recent reports are saying he is brain dead.

This case raises a whole host of questions. Was there a delay in diagnosis? Was there a delay in transferring him for medical treatment? While the facts of this case are still to be determined, what is becoming clear is the inadequate care being provided to people seeking asylum.

The standard of medical facilities in offshore detention must be questioned, as well as the timeliness of medical care. Delays in accessing necessary treatment mean that simple and easily treatable health conditions can deteriorate rapidly and become life threatening. The inadequate medical care received by people seeking asylum is having devastating consequences.

The Australian government says that they are providing health care services that are “broadly comparable with health services available within the Australian community”. I don’t believe this standard is being met. Had the Manus Island detention facility been adequately equipped to provide this young man with the healthcare he needed when he needed it, the outcome may have been very different.

The government has a lot of questions to answer. We need to know why this man did not receive adequate medical care in the first place. We need to know why there was a delay in transferring him once his condition deteriorated.

It is critical that the government is guided by independent expert medical advice, and that services are able to address complex health matters quickly and appropriately. Without this, it will be increasingly difficult for the government to respond to the growing concerns over conditions in offshore detention centres and the negative impact on asylum seeker health.

The government’s approach to processing asylum seekers is an immigration decision, but ensuring their health is an issue of human rights. The two positions are not, and must not be, mutually exclusive.

Professor Nick Talley is the president of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians.

nero_bolt · ‎04-09-2014

@boris1gary wrote:
nerowulf, please stay on topic, a request made often by yourself on threads you begin, thanks.

See my response below from #2245 So are you saying as well that the labor party and its sitting members are not part of the government?

@debra9275 wrote:
that's off topic

Is it? How

I always thought that the opposition was part of the government and has members in both houses and get to vote on policy so that would make them by definition part of the government, or are you trying to tell us that the Labor party isnt part of the government

boris1gary · ‎04-09-2014

2 interesting articles today

http://www.independentaustralia.net/article-display/abbotts-iraq-adventure-spinning-australians-into...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/australia-wont-better-mankind-in-iraq-if-we-ins...

Abbott's Iraq adventure: Spinning Australians into harm's way

Despite what Tony Abbott might suggest, we can’t just bomb people, supply munitions to strangers or take sides in wars without inviting serious consequences, writes Kellie Tranter.

Australia won't 'better mankind' in Iraq if we instinctively reach for our military

On Iraq, Australia’s political rhetoric has advanced well beyond our capabilities. We need to consider a range of strategies – some of them non-military-led

cherry*135 · ‎04-09-2014

Staff cuts (2000-3000 positions) were announced recently for the ATO.

Today:

Multinational corporations that use complicated schemes to avoid paying tax in Australia are set to be targeted, with Treasurer Joe Hockey demanding the Commissioner of Taxation "double his efforts".

Cut the workforce at the ATO by thousands and the ATO needs to double their efforts to catch tax avoiders. How do they do that Joe?

SMH

Global companies like Google, Starbucks and IKEA are cashing in on cuts to the Australian Taxation Office's ability to make them pay their fair share of taxes here, an ATO insider has warned.

Despite growing pressure to crack down on multinationals reaping massive profits in Australia each year and paying little tax, the departing taxation official says the ATO has been scaling back its technical ability to force the "transnationals" to pay up.

The former international taxation specialist says private advisors hired by "transnationals" to minimise their tax payments know too much about internal workings of the ATO and are using their insider knowledge to profit their clients.

Public servants with hundreds of years of combined technical know-how have left the ATO's "Internationals' Group" in recent years, with the process accelerated by the present massive cuts to the agency, the insider has warned.

The trend has left younger and less experienced tax officials facing the might of the "big four" accounting firms, KPMG, PwC, Deloitte's and Ernst and Young, who advise the transnationals.

But the ATO has defended its record in Internationals saying it had recently gone on a recruitment drive to beef up its technical know-how.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/why-the-ato-is-losing-the-battle-against-the-transnati...