on 20-04-2014 10:21 PM
As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed. The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.![]()
This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.
and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598
Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says
The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.
Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).
But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.
"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.
on 10-08-2014 11:23 AM
"Sign this petition to help us send a strong message to Mr Clark and the other attending Australian politicians that endorsing this unscientific, repugnant conference is not alright by us.
If you believe in science, in tolerance, in the capabilities of single parents, and in a woman's right to control her own fertility, we invite you to stand with us."
"is not alright by us." ?
It would appear that tolerance is not universal, but limited to, or in the eye of (cyclops) the beholder !Descartes, who?
KAJ: "What are implying? that science tops nonscience unless it involves the control of women. "These men believe they have the right to decide for and argue about what decisions women should make in regard to her own life and body."
Actually KAJ, I am alluding to René Descartes who once famously said: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.", and the hypocrisy of Mamamia and their "belief" in tolerance, whilst at the same time asserting that the actions of some politicians "is not alright by us."
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on 10-08-2014 12:16 PM
The complaint is not about their right to hold their views or even express them. The complaint is that they endorse the views and attempt to impose them as members of government.
on 10-08-2014 01:13 PM
I guess the problem becomes that we all hold differing views and opinions. Our belief system is part of who we are so of course whatever career we pursue those ideals are bound to come to the surface. Here's the thing we live in a democracy so you would hope that differing views would cause a debate and in the end create a balance.
Of course it doesn't always work that way. It's possible the extreme views may become a problem but again you would hope in a system like ours that a sensible solution or policy would be nutted out between parties.
10-08-2014 01:34 PM - edited 10-08-2014 01:37 PM
First let me say I think the group holding the conference are ill-informed nuts with a particular agenda, but sadly they and their "views" are being over indulged by the media in similar fashion to immunisation/autism or fluoride/cancer.
So BIG if you decide to advertise the group and waste your time by " protesting outside their rubbish conference the entire time" what specifically would you be protesting about/against? (remember Descartes).
"I've just spent half an hour reading some of their views and they are cranks," would that description also apply to those who believe in "chemtrails", "HAARP weather manipulation", "no oak trees in Australia" etc,etc. ?
10-08-2014 09:35 PM - edited 10-08-2014 09:40 PM
monman said:
AMA Supports Use of RU-486 for Termination of Pregnancy
In 2005, mifepristone was included in the World Health Organization's (WHO) Essential Medicines List.
Mifepristone has been tested extensively and used safely and effectively worldwide since 1981, and in the United States since 2000., and Australia since 2006
FDA's approval was based on three "adequate and well-controlled" studies three clinical trials (a large U.S. trial and two French trials) and safety data from a post-marketing database of over 620,000 women in Europe who had had a medical termination of pregnancy (approximately 415,000 of whom had received the combination regimen of mifepristone together with the drug misoprostol)
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not disputing that AMA supports it's use.....or that AMA might take the stance 'we're pretty sure it's safe' etc.
I am concerned that this drug and others used for drug induced abortions/medically induced pregnancy terminations may be linked to a HUGE increase in causing breast cancer - in women. ...and has not been spoken about for fear of litigation and $$$$'s by the pharmaceutical companies and govts that offer these drugs through clinics for example.This issue about needs to be addressed for the sake of women's health.
Many side of politics are reporting this drug to be nasty.
RU486 is not the 'safe' DIY method for women it is claimed to be:
Recent publicity for abortion drug RU486 has given women assurances of its safety. The drug is promoted as do-it-yourself, easy, private and ''more natural''. In this pro-RU486 spin, the voices of women harmed by the chemical cocktail have been drowned out.
''Rose'', 27, from South Australia, shares her experience in the new preface of RU-486: Misconceptions, Myths and Morals by Renate Klein, Janice Raymond and Lynette Dumble. She was told it would be easy and quick. ''The worst part … was the sheer amount of time it took for me to 'terminate' my baby: every large clot of blood - which I could literally feel passing through my insides … was a reminder of the fact I was terminating a baby, for which I felt hugely saddened.
''It was three days of nausea, high temperature, sweating, cramping, lots of blood, distress and swirling emotions. I would never ever go through that again.'' Rose bled for another three weeks.
An unnamed 25-year-old American woman described her experience after taking RU486 at six weeks. ''I was in excruciating physical pain for at least 12 hours straight and I was bleeding through my pants, but I was in so much pain I couldn't even clean myself,'' she says. ''I vomited continuously … I couldn't speak, eat, drink, sit up, and had difficulty breathing … I thought I was going to die …
''I was told I would have emotional instability for a few weeks because of the hormonal chemical imbalance that the drug causes. I have experienced severe emotional fluctuation ever since … I would never have taken this had I been properly informed.''
Norine Dworkin-McDaniel's story ''I was betrayed by a pill'' was published in Marie Claire in 2007. ''Nothing prepared me for the searing, gripping, squeezing pain that ripped through my belly … For 90 minutes I was disoriented, nauseated, and, between crushing waves of contractions … racing from the bed to the bathroom with diarrhoea,'' she wrote.
''The next night, I started bleeding. I bled for 14 days. A follow-up ultrasound confirmed I'd aborted.'' She developed ''huge cystic boils that soon covered my neck, shoulders, and back'' and suffered ''an utter lack of ability to do anything more strenuous than sleep or lie on the couch''.
Since the death of his 18-year-old daughter Holly in 2003 from an infection after an RU486 abortion, Monty Patterson has lobbied the US Congress to pass ''Holly's Law'', calling for the suspension and review of the drug.
In Australia, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee has agreed to a request from Marie Stopes Health, a subsidiary of Marie Stopes International, to list Mifepristone Linepharma (RU486) and the misoprostol GyMiso on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme for termination up to 49 days gestation. From August 1, both drugs are available on the PBS.
Marie Stopes' record in following up women who have been prescribed the abortion drug is questionable. On March 19, 2012, it was reported that a woman had died sometime in 2010 at a Marie Stopes clinic. In a study by Marie Stopes' staffers published in the Medical Journal of Australia (September 2012), this death was callously attributed to the woman's own negligence because she didn't ''seek medical advice'' and died of sepsis.
Where was the follow-up by Marie Stopes? There was no coronial inquiry.
In May 2012, the Therapeutic Goods Administration told a Senate committee it didn't collect information on RU486-related deaths of women overseas. Perhaps it doesn't think it important enough? As at April 30, 2011, the US Food and Drug Administration had held detailed reports on 14 US deaths and five deaths elsewhere, with two further deaths reported since then.
Noting that only one in 10 adverse events is reported, the FDA has recorded 2207 adverse events, including 612 hospitalisations, 58 ectopic pregnancies, 339 women who experienced blood loss requiring transfusions and 256 infections, 48 of which were ''severe''.
Here, the TGA has been informed of 132 cases of ongoing pregnancy requiring surgical abortion, 23 cases of haemorrhage requiring blood transfusion and 599 cases of incomplete abortion requiring surgery. This means about 1 in 30 women will need a second termination procedure. Other negative outcomes include cervical tearing and uterine perforation.
A South Australian study found women undergoing ''medical'' abortion had more symptoms, reported higher pain scores and had higher rates of emergency admissions. After discharge they had more nausea and diarrhoea. According to an earlier British study, women who saw the foetus were most susceptible to psychological distress, including nightmares, flashbacks, and unwanted thoughts related to the procedure.
While Health Minister Tanya Plibersek says that the drug will be an advantage for women in remote and under-resourced areas, the lack of nearby emergency facilities is a reason not to use it, medical bodies say. Regardless of one's views on abortion, pushing this drug combo as simple is disrespectful of a woman's right to know what she might face.
Melinda Tankard Reist is a writer, speaker, media commentator, blogger and advocate for women and girls.
on 10-08-2014 11:00 PM
The conversation was not about abortion drugs.
on 10-08-2014 11:25 PM
No. But the issue came up because a politician (no matter what the party colour/banner) has been quoted as stating -and was interrupted during his answer- that drugs used to induce abortion/pregnancy terminations are linked to breast cancer.
I am merely pointing out that IMO there is a possibility that this statement may well be correct.
.....carry on with my whole hearted support regards " Diary of our stinking Govt."![]()
10-08-2014 11:55 PM - edited 10-08-2014 11:58 PM
@paintsew007 wrote:No. But the issue came up because a politician (no matter what the party colour/banner) has been quoted as stating -and was interrupted during his answer- that drugs used to induce abortion/pregnancy terminations are linked to breast cancer.
I am merely pointing out that IMO there is a possibility that this statement may well be correct.
.....carry on with my whole hearted support regards " Diary of our stinking Govt."
No, that is not what he said or was interrupted saying.
The question was about abortion causiing breast cancer, not abortion drugs, and he said studies going back to the fifties which confirm that.
That was after telling us that people that live together before marriage are more likely to have a violent relationship, among other things.
Oh, and people on the pill are more likely to have an incestuous relationship.
on 10-08-2014 11:58 PM
Oh well if this is what he said then there is no debate then.
Abetz is just stupid IMO.
on 11-08-2014 12:02 AM
@paintsew007 wrote:Oh well if this is what he said then there is no debate then.
Abetz is just stupid IMO.
Watch the whole project tv segment and see for yourself what he said.