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Labor frontbencher Andrew Leigh shifts position on previous support for a GP fee

Labor's shadow assistant treasurer Andrew Leigh was once a strong supporter of a compulsory fee for visits to the doctor - a policy now slammed by the opposition as a “GP tax” that would hurt the community’s most vulnerable.

 

But in a 2003 Sydney Morning Herald article Dr Leigh, then a PhD student in economics at Harvard University, argued a Medicare co-payment was “hardly a radical idea”.

 

“As health researchers have shown, cost-less medical care means that people go to the doctor even when they don't need to, driving up the cost for all of us," Dr Leigh and co-author Richard Holden wrote.

 

“But there's a better way of operating a health system, and the change should hardly hurt at all.

 

“As economists have shown, the ideal model involves a small co-payment - not enough to put a dent in your weekly budget, but enough to make you think twice before you call the doc."

 

Dr Leigh argued the fee should be enough to deter “frivolous GP visits”, but not enough to limit genuine preventive care. The fee should apply to everyone, including pensioners, except those who are chronically ill, he wrote.

 

Dr Leigh, who has opposed the proposal in media appearances over recent weeks, told Fairfax Media: "Since 2003, a lot has changed in the health care system, and I've changed my view on co-payments.

 

 “A GP co-payment was originally a Hawke government proposal led by Brian Howe, a member of the Left faction,” he said.

 

“As long as it is applied fairly across the community, a co-payment is a perfectly valid policy measure. If Andrew Leigh, before he had to toe the party line, recognised that then I welcome his contribution to the debate. I respect Andrew Leigh as a sensible economist.”

 

On Saturday, Dr Leigh, a former professor of economics at the Australian National University, distanced himself from an article he wrote in 2004 supporting fee deregulation for universities – another policy opposed by Labor.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-frontbencher-andrew-leigh-shifts-positio...

 

Yes, it’s the very well respected ALP whey-faced Dr Andrew Leigh who virtually declared his previous books and speeches as mere works of fiction. This brings into sharp focus Dr Leigh's economics degree.

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@icyfroth wrote:

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Michael Costa on Bolt yesterday:

 

"Shorten is the Miliband of Australia"

 

Woman LOL

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Rudd wanted me out of parliament: Costello

 

Peter Costello, Australia's longest-serving treasurer and heir apparent to John Howard, says Labor offered him a diplomatic posting in return for quitting politics.

 

 

Then-prime minister Kevin Rudd offered him a "very senior" overseas ambassadorial posting because Labor feared he could become opposition leader and threaten its hold on government, Mr Costello told The Australian on Monday.

 

 

"Rudd did everything he could to get me out of parliament," he said.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/27810047/rudd-wanted-me-out-of-parliament-costello/

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Just checking for any more inaccurate quotes.

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Dulcinante was Don Qixotes mule

 

Not correct, so who is Dulcinante? And which posters were being insulted by calling them that name?

 

March 2015

BBC news

Spain

 

Forensic scientists say they have found the tomb of Spain's much-loved giant of literature, Miguel de Cervantes, nearly 400 years after his death.

They believe they have found the bones of Cervantes, his wife and others recorded as buried with him in Madrid's Convent of the Barefoot Trinitarians.

The Don Quixote author was buried in 1616 but his coffin was later lost.

 

Miguel de Cervantes - Father of modern novel

1547: Born near Madrid
1571: Shot and wounded at Battle of Lepanto
1575: Captured and enslaved for five years in Algiers
1605: Publishes first part of The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha, second part in 1615. Don Quixote is man obsessed with chivalry who sets out in search of adventure on his ageing horse Rocinante  and with his faithful squire Sancho Panza
1616: Cervantes dies aged 68, with six teeth remaining. Buried at Convent of Barefoot Trinitarians
Grave lost when convent rebuilt

 

 

icy wrote: Dulcinante is described as a sour old bag of bones. <- competely inaccurate - on his ageing horse Rocinante  

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this is from bolt's blog - can somone confirm

this is what was actually said at the press conference?

Smiley Surprised

 

 

JOURNALIST: What do you make of the reports this morning Mr Shorten that the deficit levy could be gone in this coming Budget after 2017, and also no GST on goods purchased online under $1,000. Would you be supportive of those measures?

 

SHORTEN: There’s the Government going again with thought bubbles in substitute for well-argued and reasoned policy.... In terms of what we will support, I think the Government just needs to do its homework, tell Australians of what it’s doing – not a process of selective leaks of half thought-out ideas which they then retreat from as soon as they get the first whiff of political gunpowder in their nostrils.

 

JOURNALIST: Would you like to see the deficit levy continue?

 

SHORTEN: Well first of all I’d like to see what the numbers in the Budget are. I’m not going to start putting up all the propositions of the Government....

 

JOURNALIST: When will the Labor Government deliver a Budget surplus?

 

SHORTEN: First of all we have to be in Government. I think the question though that should be asked of the Abbott Government is that – they’ve now been in power about 604, 605 days, when will they stop blaming Labor around every corner for everything that this Government hasn’t done? ...

 

JOURNALIST: Can I ask what is needed – more spending cuts or tax increases?

 

SHORTEN: What’s needed is the Government to keep its election promises, what’s needed is the Government not to attack low-paid people....

 

JOURNALIST: This morning Tony Abbott said that the Government has been able to save about $3 billion or so over the forward estimates as a result of its asylum seeker policy. Is this something that Labor will continue if you were to win Government?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I will give some tips to Tony Abbott. He could save north of $20 billion by taking up our changes to multinationals and superannuation…

 

JOURNALIST: But given the savings that Operation Sovereign Borders – the Government says – have been achieved, is it a policy that Labor would continue with if you were to win government next year?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I don’t accept the assumption – you’re asserting numbers, we haven’t seen them yet.  Let’s see what they look like in the Budget. But in the meantime, I just invite Tony Abbott to take up our constructive suggestions… Tough areas, superannuation concessions for the mega-wealthy, looking at multinational taxation…

 

JOURNALIST: You were saying before that you’ve got three tests that you are going to apply to the Abbott Government’s Budget, if the savings measures that they propose don’t meet those tests, are you committed to blocking them?

 

SHORTEN: Well, first of all, let’s see what they do. We all know that last year’s Budget was a complete disaster… The question is, does he only have two gears – dull and do nothing and save his job, or extreme ideology…

 

JOURNALIST: Well, what do you make of what the AFP have had to say?

 

SHORTEN: Well I’ll need to see what they’ve actually said.

 

 

Smiley Surprised

 

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@icyfroth wrote:

 

Rudd wanted me out of parliament: Costello

 

Peter Costello, Australia's longest-serving treasurer and heir apparent to John Howard, says Labor offered him a diplomatic posting in return for quitting politics.

 

 

Then-prime minister Kevin Rudd offered him a "very senior" overseas ambassadorial posting because Labor feared he could become opposition leader and threaten its hold on government, Mr Costello told The Australian on Monday.

 

 

"Rudd did everything he could to get me out of parliament," he said.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/27810047/rudd-wanted-me-out-of-parliament-costello/


Here  is a tissue for Mr Costello.

Smiley

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If it is from Bolt's blog it must be true. 

 

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Thios link for the whole interview was given in Bolt's Blog

http://billshorten.com.au/doorstop-sydney-tony-abbott-joe-hockeys-second-budget-to-save-their-own-jo...

 

The parts in full that Bolt quoted. There was more.

 

JOURNALIST: What do you make of the reports this morning Mr Shorten that the deficit levy could be gone in this coming Budget after 2017, and also no GST on goods purchased online under $1,000. Would you be supportive of those measures?

 

SHORTEN: There’s the Government going again with thought bubbles in substitute for well-argued and reasoned policy. They’ve been telling everyone in sundry and industry that they’re going to lower the GST threshold for online purchases and they’ve just put that in the too-hard basket, and also we see discussions about increases to the highest level of personal income tax that they’ve put on. I mean , this is a Government who has always got a strategy for the top end of town, but no strategy for the rest of us. In terms of what we will support, I think the Government just needs to do its homework, tell Australians of what it’s doing – not a process of selective leaks of half thought-out ideas which they then retreat from as soon as they get the first whiff of political gunpowder in their nostrils.

 

JOURNALIST: Would you like to see the deficit levy continue?

 

SHORTEN: Well first of all I’d like to see what the numbers in the Budget are. I’m not going to start putting up all the propositions of the Government. We’ve done a fair bit of the Government’s homework. I would like to see the Government adopt our approach, going after the multinationals, not putting them in the too-hard basket. I’d like the Government to do something about the biggest worst kept secret in town, which is the excessively generous superannuation contributions which have turned superannuation – for the lucky few on many millions – turned superannuation from a comfortable retirement into a legalised tax haven in Australia.

 

JOURNALIST: When will the Labor Government deliver a Budget surplus?

 

SHORTEN: First of all we have to be in Government. I think the question though that should be asked of the Abbott Government is that – they’ve now been in power about 604, 605 days, when will they stop blaming Labor around every corner for everything that this Government hasn’t done? We saw before the last election, the Abbott Opposition said they’d deliver a surplus, no worries, then we saw it stretch out while they’ve been in Government to one year, to three years, to sometime in the future, to Treasury saying not in the next 40 years. So I think this Government’s got a lot of explaining to do to Australians. Last year, they got the economy wrong. They just got it wrong. They went after lower-income people – cutting pensions, GP taxes, $100,000 degrees, family payments on the line.

 

Remember they were going to make unemployed people under 30 go six months with no money at all. They were so blatantly unfair that Australians rejected it. Now this year, Tony Abbott, the best he can do – because he’s so focused on saving his job and not much else – is he says that it will be ‘dull’. Australia doesn’t need a dull Tony Abbott, what we need is a plan for the future.

 

JOURNALIST: Can I ask what is needed – more spending cuts or tax increases?

 

SHORTEN: What’s needed is the Government to keep its election promises, what’s needed is the Government not to attack low-paid people. I put forward our tests very clearly and I – like you – wait to see what it really is, not their selective leaks, not Scott Morrison using childcare to grab Joe Hockey’s job, or Tony Abbott using childcare to keep his own job. We’ve said they should be responsible and fair, and should be about the future, not a nip and tuck here and there where they’re desperately trying to hold onto their jobs in the caucus room. The only reform that they can think of is one that’s unfair to most people.

 

JOURNALIST: This morning Tony Abbott said that the Government has been able to save about $3 billion or so over the forward estimates as a result of its asylum seeker policy. Is this something that Labor will continue if you were to win Government?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I will give some tips to Tony Abbott. He could save north of $20 billion by taking up our changes to multinationals and superannuation. Tony Abbott needs to stop focusing on political point scoring against Labor. He has been in office for 604 days. When will the man do his day job and stop blaming everyone else, and start working in the long-term interests of Australia? Simple test by Labor – is it fair? Is it honest and responsible? Does it help us in the future, where we’re seeing the great transition from the mining boom to the non-mining sector, we’re seeing the rise of age and the digital disruption, the equal treatment of women long overdue, we’ve got an ageing society – we’ve got to make sure that we are a services-based society so we can capture the great new middle class of Asia. That’s the game in town ladies and gentleman, it’s the future. Tony Abbott has got to answer the future test.

 

JOURNALIST: But given the savings that Operation Sovereign Borders – the Government says – have been achieved, is it a policy that Labor would continue with if you were to win government next year?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I don’t accept the assumption – you’re asserting numbers, we haven’t seen them yet.  Let’s see what they look like in the Budget. But in the meantime, I just invite Tony Abbott to take up our constructive suggestions. We remember the long years of Tony Abbott as Opposition Leader. Did you ever see him offering billions of dollars of bipartisan agreement to make sure that this country can do better in the future? Billions of dollars proposed by Labor. Tough areas, superannuation concessions for the mega-wealthy, looking at multinational taxation. Australians don’t understand why Tony Abbott make wants to make it harder for working-class kids to go to university, why he insists on trashing bulk-billing and Medicare, why on earth he’s still persisting with cuts to the pension indexation rate, which are real cuts to pensioners, and yet on the other hand when we say, “Here is some money,” he needs to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to go after the top end of town, but he’s always got a plan to put his hand in the pocket of middle Australia.

 

JOURNALIST: You were saying before that you’ve got three tests that you are going to apply to the Abbott Government’s Budget, if the savings measures that they propose don’t meet those tests, are you committed to blocking them?

 

SHORTEN: Well, first of all, let’s see what they do. We all know that last year’s Budget was a complete disaster.  It was the biggest train wreck of budgets of recent decades, and they’ve complained, you know, a few people have complained that somehow the Australian people are selfish, they’re not up for reform or that the Parliament is being selfish. It’s not selfish to want to defend Medicare, it’s not unreasonable for the Australian people to be against pension cuts or $100,000 university degrees for the vast bulk of Australian students in the future.

 

No, I think the ball is in Tony Abbott’s court. The question is, does he only have two gears – dull and do nothing and save his job, or extreme ideology. Does he have the wit and wisdom to learn over the last twelve months – stop being negative, stop blaming everyone else. Pick up the good ideas, we’re willing to be bipartisan, and I hope today that he takes up our deal on the Renewable Energy Targets and maybe tomorrow to put Australia in a more confident mood, he drops his rotten cuts to the pension. Last question.

 

JOURNALIST: The Bali Nine – the AFP had their media conference today, they’ve continued to defend their position, and essentially have said that they still need to work with countries which do have the death penalty.

 

SHORTEN: And the question is?

 

JOURNALIST: Well, what do you make of what the AFP have had to say?

 

SHORTEN: Well I’ll need to see what they’ve actually said. I have been obviously here with you giving this speech, and what I’ll have to do is look at the transcript of what they’ve said. What we’d make clear though is we don’t understand why the Federal Government dropped their Direction of the federal police in terms of opposing the death penalty. There may be a very reasonable explanation for this. It has been a very hard time for the families of the two men who were executed, I’m very conscious of the AFP not being caught as the meat in the sandwich here, but on the other hand, I’ll read the transcript. But I do think there is an opportunity for the Liberal Government and the Labor Opposition to work together to campaign against the death penalty in countries where it currently exists.

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

this is from bolt's blog - can somone confirm

this is what was actually said at the press conference?

Smiley Surprised

 

 

JOURNALIST: What do you make of the reports this morning Mr Shorten that the deficit levy could be gone in this coming Budget after 2017, and also no GST on goods purchased online under $1,000. Would you be supportive of those measures?

 

SHORTEN: There’s the Government going again with thought bubbles in substitute for well-argued and reasoned policy.... In terms of what we will support, I think the Government just needs to do its homework, tell Australians of what it’s doing – not a process of selective leaks of half thought-out ideas which they then retreat from as soon as they get the first whiff of political gunpowder in their nostrils.

 

JOURNALIST: Would you like to see the deficit levy continue?

 

SHORTEN: Well first of all I’d like to see what the numbers in the Budget are. I’m not going to start putting up all the propositions of the Government....

 

JOURNALIST: When will the Labor Government deliver a Budget surplus?

 

SHORTEN: First of all we have to be in Government. I think the question though that should be asked of the Abbott Government is that – they’ve now been in power about 604, 605 days, when will they stop blaming Labor around every corner for everything that this Government hasn’t done? ...

 

JOURNALIST: Can I ask what is needed – more spending cuts or tax increases?

 

SHORTEN: What’s needed is the Government to keep its election promises, what’s needed is the Government not to attack low-paid people....

 

JOURNALIST: This morning Tony Abbott said that the Government has been able to save about $3 billion or so over the forward estimates as a result of its asylum seeker policy. Is this something that Labor will continue if you were to win Government?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I will give some tips to Tony Abbott. He could save north of $20 billion by taking up our changes to multinationals and superannuation…

 

JOURNALIST: But given the savings that Operation Sovereign Borders – the Government says – have been achieved, is it a policy that Labor would continue with if you were to win government next year?

 

SHORTEN: Well, I don’t accept the assumption – you’re asserting numbers, we haven’t seen them yet.  Let’s see what they look like in the Budget. But in the meantime, I just invite Tony Abbott to take up our constructive suggestions… Tough areas, superannuation concessions for the mega-wealthy, looking at multinational taxation…

 

JOURNALIST: You were saying before that you’ve got three tests that you are going to apply to the Abbott Government’s Budget, if the savings measures that they propose don’t meet those tests, are you committed to blocking them?

 

SHORTEN: Well, first of all, let’s see what they do. We all know that last year’s Budget was a complete disaster… The question is, does he only have two gears – dull and do nothing and save his job, or extreme ideology…

 

JOURNALIST: Well, what do you make of what the AFP have had to say?

 

SHORTEN: Well I’ll need to see what they’ve actually said.

 

 

Smiley Surprised

 


Ha haaaa, I saw the video of it on the Bolt show yesterday. Mr Potatohead at his finest!

 

http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bolt-report/2015/5/10

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