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donnashuggy · ‎22-03-2015

I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

i-need-a-martini · ‎25-03-2015

I think those bludgers on Bondi Beach are safe.

But if they were indigenous Australians then a certain amount of venom would be directed at them from the media and our politcians (and Ebays Community Spirit). There would be calls about something needing to be done about them, arguments about 'our' taxes supporting their welfare.

And Abbott would be in the news discussing that their choice is a 'lifestyle' choice. Which of course it IS in THIS case.

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azureline** · ‎25-03-2015

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
Where do you drawer the line? Tony Abbott uses tax payers money to attend celebrations not to do with his job, how can he or any other hypocrite in politics make such decisions about indigenous communities?
Let's you and I take our families to some remote spot and set up a community there, but before we go, let's talk to the government and ask them to fund it and assign a Doctor, Nurse, Social Worker to go with us, and also ask them for funding to build some houses for us and a small Town Hall for our use, put some roads in (dirt will do) - I think the government will be cracking their necks to do that for us.

Mean spirited..................... but seriously, those people didn't take their families to some remote spot and set up a community there.................. they were already there, forced off large tracts their lands already to a small area.

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the*scarlet*pimpernel · ‎25-03-2015

Rabbit, where did you get the information from that says each of these 274 communities HAS to have a doctor, i.e. 274 doctors to service the communities etc.

The outback doesn't work like that. Never has. You have flying doctors,visting medico's, social workers whatever. Same as the isolated white fella communities.

You people have had thousands of years to to adapt to living in and maintaining homes, working for a wage etc. and you expect the aboriginals to adapt and assimilate overnight. Build them a nice 3 bedroom house and then complain when it gets trashed, but hey, maybe you should have studied the dynamics of an aboriginal family before shoving them in a white fella box. It's not Mum, Dad and 2.5 children in that house, it's also aunt, uncle, cuz, nephews, neices and blow-ins from down the track.

We have a unique culture here, and unlike the ancient egyptians and romans, the australian aboriginal culture is still alive. The word assimilate makes me shudder. I believe the people should be allowed to stay in their remote communities and whatever the cost is of looking after them, well they're probably owed that much in rent anyway

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the*scarlet*pimpernel · ‎25-03-2015

and round-and-round we go. We 'shoved them in a white fella box' - if the Gov doesn't provide housing - 'it's disgusting, we should provide them a house' - either they want to live traditional lives or they don't.

The ones sitting in the dirt up there under a tree in WA do want to live traditional lives, isn't that the whole point of this thread? But they will get forced off their patch of dirt, stuck in a house they don't know how to look after, assimilate in to a township where they have access to grog, high carb foods and all that other goodstuff that shortens their life expectancy, are expected to get a job (according to abbott) but I ask you, who is going to employ them? I could go on and on and debate but I'll only end up angry so I won't say any more.

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gleee58 · ‎25-03-2015

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@the*scarlet*pimpernel wrote:

You people have had thousands of years to to adapt to living in and maintaining homes, working for a wage etc. and you expect the aboriginals to adapt and assimilate overnight.

I believe the people should be allowed to stay in their remote communities and whatever the cost is of looking after them, well they're probably owed that much in rent anyway

I believe that people should be allowed to stay in their remote communities if that's what they want.

BUT ... how many thousands of years is the Government supposed to pay that rent until they adapt?

How many hundreds of generations of people have to apologise for England deciding to send settlers / convicts to Australia?

Do you read what you write before posting?

DO you call yourself Christian?

How are the government paying their rent for them to live on their own lands? Here's the thing, it's not been hundreds of generations nor has it been thousands of years, since the English arrived with their convicts and rejects.

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i-need-a-martini · ‎25-03-2015

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself
Funding for?
Funding for schools, medical, social services, communiity services - the usual stuff that the govt is happy to fund for any OTHER community.
There are 274 remote communities in WA alone. There are not enough Doctors, Nurses, Teachers and Social Workers in the bush TOWNS - where do you propose to find another 274 of each to maintain services to each of these remote communities? Then of course, each one of those has to have facilities - so operating room, exray centre and on and on. Next we'll be sending a Doctor, Nurse, Teacher and Social Worker to each Cattle station and / or Farm in the outback for FREE. Totally unsustainable and totally unrealistic.

OK, the people want to stay on their Ancestoral Land, but practicalities must come into it somewhere.

I can't believe 4 other people kudo'd such an ill informed post.

Rabbit you clearly have no idea what happens and what type of services are given to these communities. Do you seriously think each community gets doctors, teachers, scial workers, xray centres? No one is that naive to believe that surely.

But your analogfy to a cattlestation is a good one because they are also 'settlements'. They also get provided services. In fact they get the same services offered to indigenous communities.

How do you think a child gets educated on an outback cattlestation? How does mum get to hospital when a baby is due? Who do you think pays for a doctor and nurse and all the equipment when farmer has an accident on his land? How dose the post get delivered? How does the phone get wired up?

If we can't afford to provide basic services to 274 indigenous communities then it should be the same for anyone else who live in an isolated community.

Would you be agreeing with the policy if it also affected outstations, cattlestations, farms?

No I didn't think so.

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myoclon1cjerk · ‎25-03-2015

They want them out of the way so they can dig up the resources.

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curmu-curmu · ‎23-03-2015

@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

Oops...sorry Donna. I thought you said REplacing Indigenous Australians!

I was going to ask with what...but now I won't.

donnashuggy · ‎23-03-2015

Well I guess we'll find out sooner or later

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎23-03-2015

Que?

curmu-curmu · ‎23-03-2015

@donnashuggy wrote:
Well I guess we'll find out sooner or later

A little more contxet wouldn't go astray...there are truly many angles on such a sweeping statement.

lind9650 · ‎23-03-2015

Donna, indigenous people have been displaced since Captain Cook and his cronies set foot on this land.

All our build-up areas, cities and towns were once occupied by different tribes of native people.

Erica

i-need-a-martini · ‎23-03-2015

@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

The problem is that the Federal Govt has cut funding as of next year and the states will have to find their own funding.

Not a major issue for states like NSW where indigenous communities are relatively well serviced and there aren't that many of them (relatively speaking).

But in states like WA where there are more communities and they are spread out further dut to the size of the state, the state govts have already said that once the Federal Govt dries up, then they are not prepared to fund them.

So while the state Premiers are saying they have no choice as they won't have the money, Abbott is saying indigenous people won't be moved from their traditional lands and Scullion is saying he doesn't understand why state leaders are saying they need to close these communities down.

Obviously the latter two politicians are complete dumbnuts to think that they can take away essential funding and expect life to carry on as normal.

donnashuggy · ‎24-03-2015

I apologise if I was not clear, I watched Coling Barnett saying he was not to protestors, why are they demonstrating if they are not closing down remote communities http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/aboriginal-community-closure-intense-rally-at-parliament-house-201...

donnashuggy · ‎24-03-2015

Specifically this:

"I actually applaud you for coming here today.

"Can I say to you no Aboriginal people will be forced from their lands...no Aborginal people will be forced from their communities.

"People will not be forced from their tradtional lands."

donnashuggy · ‎24-03-2015

http://dezirestudios.com.au/blog/the-good-in-closing-remote-communities/

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