Displacing Indigenous Australians

[donnashuggy]

I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

[donnashuggy]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Where do you drawer the line? Tony Abbott uses tax payers money to attend celebrations not to do with his job, how can he or any other hypocrite in politics make such decisions about indigenous communities?

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Let's you and I take our families to some remote spot and set up a community there, but before we go, let's talk to the government and ask them to fund it and assign a Doctor, Nurse, Social Worker to go with us, and also ask them for funding to build some houses for us and a small Town Hall for our use, put some roads in (dirt will do) - I think the government will be cracking their necks to do that for us.

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Now why would I want to do that? I'm Anglo Saxon.

[azureline**]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Where do you drawer the line? Tony Abbott uses tax payers money to attend celebrations not to do with his job, how can he or any other hypocrite in politics make such decisions about indigenous communities?

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Let's you and I take our families to some remote spot and set up a community there, but before we go, let's talk to the government and ask them to fund it and assign a Doctor, Nurse, Social Worker to go with us, and also ask them for funding to build some houses for us and a small Town Hall for our use, put some roads in (dirt will do) - I think the government will be cracking their necks to do that for us.

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Mean spirited..................... but seriously, those people didn't take their families to some remote spot and set up a community there.................. they were already there, forced off large tracts  their lands already to a small area.

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Just trying to demonstrate the PRACTICALITIES. 

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What PRACTICALITIES. ??

As I understand it, they are withdrawing the funding. To me, that indicates the services are there already.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Where do you drawer the line? Tony Abbott uses tax payers money to attend celebrations not to do with his job, how can he or any other hypocrite in politics make such decisions about indigenous communities?

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Let's you and I take our families to some remote spot and set up a community there, but before we go, let's talk to the government and ask them to fund it and assign a Doctor, Nurse, Social Worker to go with us, and also ask them for funding to build some houses for us and a small Town Hall for our use, put some roads in (dirt will do) - I think the government will be cracking their necks to do that for us.

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Mean spirited..................... but seriously, those people didn't take their families to some remote spot and set up a community there.................. they were already there, forced off large tracts  their lands already to a small area.

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Just trying to demonstrate the PRACTICALITIES. 

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What PRACTICALITIES. ??

As I understand it, they are withdrawing the funding. To me, that indicates the services are there already.

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please see my previous post 25.

[donnashuggy]

So do you mean there are not enough people living in each community? If they were more populated would it make a difference to you? If they move to the city or larger towns how will it benefit them?

[idlewhile]

Remote communities are a blight on the advancement of aboriginal children, their parents  should be encouraged to take their children where they can expect to participate in 21st century life, have a fighting chance to break the welfare mentality, the sit down money, that has seen the ruin of indigenous Australians, not just rot in drug an alcohol ridden communities being sexually abused by drunken family members, can all that be argued against? no it can't.

Closing the gap means trying to change the mind set of aboriginals, that sitting in the dirt, in far off remote camps is not the way that closing the gap can ever be achieved.

The disgraceful Greens and Labor beat up of this important subject just highlights the cynical use of anything (aboriginals, disabled people) is never too low for them to sink.

[the*scarlet*pimpernel · Accepted solution]

Rabbit, where did you get the information from that says each of these 274 communities HAS to have a doctor, i.e. 274 doctors to service the communities etc.

The outback doesn't work like that. Never has. You have flying doctors,visting medico's, social workers whatever. Same as the isolated white fella communities. 

You people have had thousands of years to to adapt to living in and maintaining homes, working for a wage etc. and you expect the aboriginals to adapt and assimilate overnight. Build them a nice 3 bedroom house and then complain when it gets trashed, but hey, maybe you should have studied the dynamics of an aboriginal family before shoving them in a white fella box.  It's not Mum, Dad and 2.5 children in that house, it's also aunt, uncle, cuz, nephews, neices and blow-ins from down the track. 

We have a unique culture here, and unlike the ancient egyptians and romans, the australian aboriginal culture is still alive. The word assimilate makes me shudder.  I believe the people should be allowed to stay in their remote communities and whatever the cost is of looking after them, well they're probably owed that much in rent anyway

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

So do you mean there are not enough people living in each community? If they were more populated would it make a difference to you? If they move to the city or larger towns how will it benefit them?

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Why do you ask if it would make a difference to me? I'm just trying to point out the financial impracticalities of have 274 remote sites (just in WA) to support.

Yes, it would make a difference to them - they would then have the benefit of at least SOME facilities - schools, medical and social support. Now, someone ask me why should they be forced to leave their ancestoral lands? ... and round-and-round we go.

[donnashuggy]

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@idlewhile wrote:

Remote communities are a blight on the advancement of aboriginal children, their parents  should be encouraged to take their children where they can expect to participate in 21st century life, have a fighting chance to break the welfare mentality, the sit down money, that has seen the ruin of indigenous Australians, not just rot in drug an alcohol ridden communities being sexually abused by drunken family members, can all that be argued against? no it can't.

Closing the gap means trying to change the mind set of aboriginals, that sitting in the dirt, in far off remote camps is not the way that closing the gap can ever be achieved.

The disgraceful Greens and Labor beat up of this important subject just highlights the cynical use of anything (aboriginals, disabled people) is never too low for them to sink.

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What about drunken whites? Maybe you should listen to what they have to say and educate yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=812357422151569&pnref=story

They were treated as slaves till about 1970, maybe if they were back paid some of their wages by the government they would not need any handouts

[gleee58]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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There are 274 remote communities in WA alone. There are not enough Doctors, Nurses, Teachers and Social Workers in the bush TOWNS - where do you propose to find another 274 of each to maintain services to each of these remote communities? Then of course, each one of those has to have facilities - so operating room, exray centre and on and on. Next we'll be sending a Doctor, Nurse, Teacher and Social Worker to each Cattle station and / or Farm in the outback for FREE. Totally unsustainable and totally unrealistic.

OK, the people want to stay on their Ancestoral Land, but practicalities must come into it somewhere.

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That talk about xrays and operating rooms is such nonsense.  Most outback communities don't have such things on site nor have ever asked for such things to be provided on site.

It's just another "any outrageous excuse to drive the people from the lands will do".

[gleee58]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

Remote communities are a blight on the advancement of aboriginal children, their parents  should be encouraged to take their children where they can expect to participate in 21st century life, have a fighting chance to break the welfare mentality, the sit down money, that has seen the ruin of indigenous Australians, not just rot in drug an alcohol ridden communities being sexually abused by drunken family members, can all that be argued against? no it can't.

Closing the gap means trying to change the mind set of aboriginals, that sitting in the dirt, in far off remote camps is not the way that closing the gap can ever be achieved.

The disgraceful Greens and Labor beat up of this important subject just highlights the cynical use of anything (aboriginals, disabled people) is never too low for them to sink.

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What about drunken whites? Maybe you should listen to what they have to say and educate yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=812357422151569&pnref=story

They were treated as slaves till about 1970, maybe if they were back paid some of their wages by the government they would not need any handouts

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How many of the communities in question are DRY?  

Not all aboriginal people are drunks and not all communities allow alcohol.