Do Political Statements Have a Place in the Classroom?

THOUSANDS of Australians have been wearing “Close the Camps” T-shirts in a show of support and solidarity with asylum seekers. In the coming weeks, they’ll be joined by up to 500 members of “Teachers for Refugees”, who want to see offshore detention facilities closed.

 

For those whose office is the classroom this simple act of protest becomes all the more meaningful … and all the more controversial.

There are reports that in addition to wearing these T-shirts in the classroom, Victorian teachers intend to hold “informal discussions” with students about Australia’s treatment of refugees.

 

The Victorian Opposition says it’s “political indoctrination” for teachers to openly declare and promote their personal stance on a highly politicised. The Education Union is backing its members’ campaign against the alleged human rights abuses being perpetrated in Australia’s name.

 

It’s an issue where there are almost too many “other hands” to count.

 

Should teachers be expected to keep their personal political views private? Where is the line between teaching students how to think critically about issues and teaching them what to think? How should teachers be expected to handle an increasingly polarised political climate? Is there a point when an issue become too political to be taught in schools and, if so, where is that point?

 

I’m personally sympathetic to the political views of these education activists. Reports about the conditions on Nauru and Manus Island and the harms being perpetrated in Australia’s name are deeply distressing.

 

Like so many Australians, I find myself most affected by stories about children who are growing up in these detention facilities. I can only imagine that teachers — who spend their days working with children of the same age — feel and understand the ramifications of this issue even more acutely.

 
 

And yet, I know I’d be alarmed if the issues teachers were campaigning on weren’t aligned with my own political views.

 

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Tricky Question isn't it?

 

I'd like to think that Teachers in Australian schools are focussed on teaching primary school children the basics of Reading Writing and Arithmetic, at least, instead of their personal politics.

Australian children seem so be slipping down in global educational levels.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-30/australia-declines-in-global-education-report/8077474

 

Australia is losing to Kazakhstan in the latest global education report card.

Key points:
  • Australia plunging down the international leaderboard for Year 4 and Year 8 results
  • Simon Birmingham says pumping more money into schools is not the answer
  • Labor's education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek agrees results are troubling

The Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) is conducted every four years and shows local students crashing further down the international leaderboard.

 

How embarrassing!

And alarming!

 

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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/27/hothoused-and-hyper-ra...

So there you go. It's the Anglo kids that are the Dumbo's. Bring in more migrants from non English speaking cultures to solve the problem.
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@lurker172602 wrote:

It's not a new phenomenon though.  I can remember my teacher, in late primary so probably around 1970, bringing his Vietnamese wife into our classroom to tell us about the war.  It certainly impacted me and probably had some influence on my developing world view.

 

 

(Quite how or why a teacher in a little small town school in NZ had a Vietnamese wife has been a thing I have sometimes wondered about  over the years Woman Frustrated)


Goes to show how impressionable young minds are.

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The problems are very complex and include the break down in parental responsability, social attitudes in general, socio-ecenomic profiles of public verses private schools etc. But one over riding factor is the culture within the public school system. This needs to change before progress can be made in academic outcomes.

 

The problem is not so much a culture within public schools as that those schools are  somehow supposed to  supply the remedies for all the problems you mentioned. Private schools don't have the same problems because they are not obliged to accommodate all the social 'misfits'

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

The problems are very complex and include the break down in parental responsability, social attitudes in general, socio-ecenomic profiles of public verses private schools etc. But one over riding factor is the culture within the public school system. This needs to change before progress can be made in academic outcomes.

 

The problem is not so much a culture within public schools as that those schools are  somehow supposed to  supply the remedies for all the problems you mentioned. Private schools don't have the same problems because they are not obliged to accommodate all the social 'misfits'


That is very true she el., but that doesn't change the fact that there are major cultural problems within the state education system which are leading to declining levels of academic achievement.

 

This is reflected in the OP where some teachers think it is OK to indoctrinate students with their own personal views on asylum seekers. This shows a lack of respect for their profession and lack of professional discipline. 

 

One of the biggest problems is that the education sector is run by educators. Closseted, uni graduates who have never employed anyone in their lives, never managed a business or paid workers wages with their own money. They take 10 weeks holidays per year with leave loading as the norm and everything is paid for by the magical tooth fairy that is the taxpayer. There is no accountability. ( basically the socialist system )

 

In comparison private schools are run for profit. ( capitalist system ) Parents pay for their child's education and hold schools accountable for the service they provide. If standards are not met, enrolments decline, managers loose their jobs or schools close. Managers are paying for things with their own parents and schools money so it is spent more wisely.

 

Students in private schools are also held accountable for their actions. If they don't attend classes or meet behavioral standards they are disciplined rather than "touchy feely" counselled.

 

Kids need some structure and discipline in their lives. They also need to be challenged with goals and to learn the meaning of respect, both for themselves and others. These values are much stronger in the private school sector and the results are plain to see in the educational standards achieved.

 

Socialism is a great philosophy in theory. It just has one tiny, little flaw. ...............IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK.!!!!

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Discipline starts at home as does indoctrination.
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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

The problems are very complex and include the break down in parental responsability, social attitudes in general, socio-ecenomic profiles of public verses private schools etc. But one over riding factor is the culture within the public school system. This needs to change before progress can be made in academic outcomes.

 

The problem is not so much a culture within public schools as that those schools are  somehow supposed to  supply the remedies for all the problems you mentioned. Private schools don't have the same problems because they are not obliged to accommodate all the social 'misfits'


Another huge problem with our schools is the pollies and educational leaders have decreed these " social misfits" as you call them are required to stay in school untill age 17. In the past these kids would have left school and taken on labouring jobs or taineeships. Many of these positions have dissapeared, but it is suprising how many of these jobs are still out there if the kids want them.

 

Our son is one of the " social misfits" you mention. Neither the private OR public school system worked for him, so we pulled him out of school at age 15. We had to have written permission from our state education ministers office to do this.

 

He went to work in a fast food joint the next day. Within weeks was offered a permenant position and completed a retail 3 traineeship through them. He has gone on to study IT in TAFE one day a week and has been offered a day shift managers job at the fast food joint.

 

Recently he has chosen to take a job in a privately run food shop where he is paid 30% above award wages and given extra cash tips at times. ( he has a good reputation.as a worker ).  Two weeks ago he spent 8 hours attending TAFE and did 45 hours of paid work. He has another job offer waiting as a trainee IT technician when he turns 18 in 6 months time.

 

He has been employed constantly since leaving school 18 months ago, without a day off for holidays. He owns a nice car and has around $20,000 in assets.  His mates are just leaving school now and starting to look for jobs.

 

School is'nt for everyone.

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It (Amazon go) is just the next logical development from the automated checkouts already in use in most supermarkets, or the self-serve kiosks McDonald’s is already rolling out.
The future doesn't look bright even for burger flippers.
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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
It (Amazon go) is just the next logical development from the automated checkouts already in use in most supermarkets, or the self-serve kiosks McDonald’s is already rolling out.
The future doesn't look bright even for burger flippers.

This is true to an extent, but it is surprising how many jobs are still floating around for the kids ( at least in the area I live ). Our 14 yo daughter wrote her first regime on Saturday for Christmas holiday jobs, handed out a dozen on Sunday and had her first job offer 9.00 am Monday. She starts tomorrow.

 

Several of the other "social misfits" that our son hangs around with have started or been offered jobs. One is digging trenches on a building site for $20 an hour. One is laying carpets, another an apprentice carpenter, several in food joints and one girl has a hairdressers apprenticeship.

 

Some of these are working out, a couple less so. The main thing is that the kids need a work ethic and are reliable. The biggest problem seems to be the prevelance of dope smoking which impacts on reliability and work ethic.

 

The government needs to drop the requirement that all students complete year 12 and go back to encouraging traineeships and apprenticships.

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I agree with the fact that school is not for everyone.

My eldest daughter did her HSC and ever since she has been doing extra University courses....some connected to her work, others purely for her own pleasure.  She is now 47 and completed her last Degree 2 years ago.  She also did a stint in the Army Reserves.

 

On the other hand her younger sister hated school...I think it was mutual if the truth be known.....and was set to walk out the door on her 15th birthday, long before completing her School Certificate.   By a combination of begging and bribery I persuaded her to stay at school till the end of the year with the promise that if she could get a job during the holidays she did not have to go back the following year.

 

She finished school on Thursday and by Saturday she had landed her dream job in a riding school....at first just doing stables but once she proved her ability in the saddle she escorted rides around the park.  She was able to keep her own horse in the stables and go to shows regularly.

This led to her becoming a Vet Nurse and later getting her Security Licence and then running her own guard dog company.

 

So two girls with the same upbringing but very different school records have ended up being very successful albeit by very different routes.

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Great story Lyndal. We tend to think that kids have to have some form of education to be successful now, but it is not necessarily so. If they have drive and a little bit of luck there are still pathways to great careers. Our son who is still only 17 has been offered a shift managers position at the national fast food chain that he works for, but what I didn't mention was that it was with a view to progressing to a store managers position in the future. He didn't even complete year 10 at school.

 

He also has the standing offer of a traineeship in IT when he turns 18 from a local computer firm. He applied for a position there around 12 months ago, but was too young at the time. The business owner was impressed with the lads knowledge of computers and work ethic and is holding a position for him. This is a dream job for a school leaver and if it all comes off will be a real coup for a kid who left school without completing year 10.

 

Uni degrees are important for some procession's and highly trained and skilled labour is vital for the country, but the importance of education has just been blown out of all proportion by politicians and the education sector. There are huge numbers of careers where  a uni degree has no value at all.

 

Its time to abandon the folly of "education nation" and all kids staying in school until their early twenties and once again focus on and value traineeships and apprenticeships.

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