on 01-12-2014 05:08 PM - last edited on 02-12-2014 05:30 AM by mc_remington
Bendigo mosque backers ask non-Muslims to help fund the project
THE backers of a controversial plan to build a mosque in Bendigo want non-Muslims to help fund the project.
Australian Islamic Mission Victorian spokesman Dr Seyed Sheriffdeen said his group would ask government authorities, local businesses and other organisations for assistance.
“If you look at the facility it’s an asset for the local community in Bendigo,” he said.
“We will ask the local community to support this, they are the stakeholders of this project.”
The Shire of Greater Bendigo has approved the plan, but opponents have appealed to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal with the hearing due to start this week.
Dr Sheriffdeen said his group would challenge a council permit condition not to allow political discussion on the mosque site, saying it was discriminatory.
“If I am building a church or a synagogue or a temple, if it’s a condition of Australian law we agree,” he said. “We don’t want to be treated differently because of the mosque.”
Community tensions intensified earlier this year when the council approved the project, despite opposition from a well-organised protest group.
Dr Sheriffdeen said he didn’t mind local opposition, but was concerned when outsiders got involved.
The group’s national vice-president Siddiq Buckley said that Western society tended to exclude Muslims.
Things are tight this time of year what with the big fat bloke in the red suit expecting light refreshments to be provided and all the other stuff that goes with Christmas but can you spare any cash for the religion of islam? Dig deep.
on 01-12-2014 08:35 PM
@village_person wrote:
@am*3 wrote:Do you have any spare cash? Why are you asking individuals that question?
Australian Islamic Mission Victorian spokesman Dr Seyed Sheriffdeen said his group would ask government authorities, local businesses and other organisations for assistance.
Do you think that it might be possible for someone apart from a solo keyboard jockey to be viewing The eBay Community Discussion Boards? What if a person who owned a small business was tuning in and thought about chipping in some cash from his business. Would that go under the heading of "local business"?
Everything OK with you?
well seeing as there is no info for how to do this in the alleged story in the op then maybe you could let us know how to donate, because there isn't anything anywhere else and maybe leaving the offensive comment under the alleged story would be more appropriate if the op was simply an attempt to interest Bendigo businesses into donating.
on 01-12-2014 08:36 PM
@am*3 wrote:No support for your anti-Muslim thread.. do you even live in Bendigo area? Nup, you don't.
If there is any truth in that story, the local businesses and organisations of Bendigo will be aware of what has been requested.
Have you missed a doctor's appointment lately?
on 01-12-2014 08:56 PM
Hi everyone, the discussion is getting a little heated. Please be sure to keep your communications civil. Thanks!
on 01-12-2014 09:16 PM
@am*3 wrote:Religious bigotry - plain and simple.
Yep, now it's the indigenous people's turn to cop it.
01-12-2014 09:23 PM - edited 01-12-2014 09:24 PM
@gleee58 wrote:
@am*3 wrote:Religious bigotry - plain and simple.
Yep, now it's the indigenous people's turn to cop it.
As others have pointed out to me....what is the connection between indigenous people and mosque building?
***Just for the record: I never go running to the mods under any circumstances and I have never reported ANYONE.
on 01-12-2014 09:41 PM
what is the connection between indigenous people and mosque building?
Attempt at calling racism... religious bigotry.
on 01-12-2014 09:54 PM
If one of my local churches or scout/guide groups were seeking donations from the local townspeople, businessesm Rotary etc.. would I start a thread asking .. do you have any spare cash?
No, I wouldn't because it is a request for locals to support a local church, local guides/scouts groups. I have never seen any other poster ever start a thread about local requests in their neighbourhood for financial donations/suppor from other locals either.
Would you have started a thread vp if it was, for example, the Catholic Church in Bendigo asking for locals to support the building of a new church hall?
Beware of cover for making bigotry respectable
Nov 21 2014
Islam isn't a race. It's a religion. Therefore, abusing Muslims isn't racist. The real racism is that we're not allowed to criticise Islam.
This is the logic of many who are expressing hostility towards Muslims and Islam. Many have written to me directly, often in language unfit for public repetition. They say that they are concerned with the beliefs and practices of Muslims. They say they are entitled to be scornful of Islam, which they fear is taking over Australia.
When we see verbal and other attacks against Muslim Australians, it is often accompanied by a nastiness that resembles racial hatred.
The distinction between race and religion is a complex one. But it shouldn't be used to provide cover for making bigotry respectable.
Let's be clear about a few things. In a liberal democracy we should be free to have robust debates about culture, religion and belief. Yet debate doesn't mean abuse. Criticism doesn't mean vilification. We may disagree, but we should do so with civility. There is little to commend about militant hostility towards faith, of all kinds.
As for race and religion, the two can overlap. For example, we consider anti-Semitism to involve a form of racism, even though Jewishness involves a religious identity. This is because Jewishness also has an ethnic character; Jews consider themselves to be a people. More generally, religion can itself act as a racial marker.
The history of racism demonstrates this. Scholars highlight that the prototypical forms of modern racism can be found in the treatment of conversos, Jewish converts to Christianity in 15th and 16th century Spain. These converts were identified and discriminated against because some Spanish Christians believed the impurity of their blood made them incapable of experiencing a true conversion. Here we see the essential condition of racism: the idea that differences between racial or cultural groups are permanent and ineradicable.
In the case of contemporary anti-Muslim feeling, there are frequently racialised elements. Religion can be used as a surrogate for race. When we see verbal and other attacks against Muslim Australians, it is often accompanied by a nastiness that resembles racial hatred.
Anti-Muslim sentiment can be based on negative racial stereotypes about people from the Middle East. Take, for example, some of the recent commentary about the suburb of Lakemba, home to some of Sydney's Muslim communities. One newspaper in August featured a two-page spread about the suburb titled, "Inside Sydney's Muslim Land", in which the correspondent spent 24 hours in a place "where a pervasive monoculture has erased the traditional Aussie way of life". In the piece itself, the correspondent would observe that the suburb had an ethnic mix "similar to what you'd find in any Arabic city".
In the space of a few sentences, then, we see the conflation of Muslim and Arab – of religion quickly expanding into something more cultural, ethnic, and arguably racial.
It is in these respects that anti-Muslim sentiment can involve racialised cultural hostility. Anyone who may look like a Muslim will be presumed to bear a culture that is incompatible with Australian culture. But what determines whether someone looks like they are Muslim, if not race and ethnicity?
As with all bigotry, anti-Muslim feeling can express itself insidiously. Its currency is distortion and misrepresentation.
Take recent social media campaigns that have been waged against halal certification. Anti-halal campaigners have been targeting various food businesses that comply with Islamic dietary standards. Among other things, campaigners claim that fees paid for halal certification are being used to fund terrorism.
When it comes to halal, ongoing campaigns against it are little more than anti-Islamic bullying. Bullying that aims to stimulate fear and divide Australians.
Any suggestion that certification fees are proceeds to terrorism is unfounded. Australia has laws that forbid people and organisations from funding illegal activity such as terrorism. Organisations that provide halal certification services are not immune from such laws.
Halal slaughter in Australia is also consistent with standards of animal welfare. According to the RSPCA, most halal slaughter in Australia complies with the national standard requiring that all animals be stunned unconscious prior to slaughter. In this respect, halal practices in Australia differ from halal slaughter in many other countries.
As for the certification process itself, this has no negative bearing on the ability of non-Muslims to consume different food products. Halal may be grounded in religion, but the process of halal labelling is primarily focused on hygiene and ingredients – on ensuring, for instance, that ingredients are free from pork and that machinery involved in making food has not been cleaned with alcohol. The Australian Food and Grocery Council explains that the exercise can be best compared to vegan or gluten-free labelling.
All things considered, there is a basic value we should affirm. Every person should be free to live their lives, without being harassed or intimidated because of their religion – or because of what they look like. Most Muslim Australians are law-abiding and loyal Australian citizens who shouldn't be tarred by the brush of prejudice.
Let's remember: bigotry diminishes not only the lives of those who are on the receiving end. It diminishes us all.
Tim Soutphommasane is Australia's Race Discrimination Commissioner.
on 01-12-2014 10:41 PM
Obviously I've missed a lot of pulled posts as this thread makes little sense. But I will comment anyway -
Any group (religious or otherwise) is entitled to local funding and entitled to approach local communities for funding.
What is the issue?
on 02-12-2014 09:57 AM
Village just got a call your village misses you 🙂