on โ08-01-2014 06:32 PM
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Do you object to BAG INSPECTIONS at stores?
Do you object to staff asking to inspect your bag? (they are only doing their job)
Will you shop at a store that asks to inspect your bag or will you go elsewhere?
Do bag inspections and security checks help to stop shop lifting and keep prices down?
If you object WHY?
Do you think that objecting to a bag inspection makes a person look guilty or they are guilty?
Rememer that its a condition of entry at just about every major /medium/small store in Australia
on โ09-01-2014 09:44 AM
@mugssy65 wrote:
I certainly do not object!
In fact when exiting a store I head towards the person on duty and offer my open bag, more often than not I'm waved through, if they take a look I tell them the wide screen tv I'm stealing is in the front pocket. I only carry a small handbag, about 20cm by 15cm.
ditto. I have a big bag due to having a 2 year old. I always offer it to be looked in.
I actually get a bit peeved when they dont look as its there job to check bags.
When i was a Big W manager i always told my staff they had to also check the bags that people offered. Shop lifters know that if they offer their bag for a look, most time they are waved through
on โ09-01-2014 09:49 AM
I have no real objection to a bag check, but I don't offer. I haven't been asked for a long long time. I must look trustworthy lol. Plus I don't have a big bag.
on โ09-01-2014 09:49 AM
"Installing security cameras, monitoring every customer and when suspicious behaviour is detected, alert the security guards who will either be able to stop the customer in the store or initiate pursuit......I presume...."
Nope. They cant do that. Security is not allowed to stop a customer until they have left the store. Even if they see a shopper shove an item down their pants, its not shop lifting until the shopper leaves the store.
on โ09-01-2014 10:01 AM
When i was a checkout superviser at Big W , i caught lots of shop lifters.
I recall 3 big ones.
An Asian lady who had 2 big full shopping bags hanging off her pramBoth bags had daggy old jumpers on the top but we had no idea what was underneathy those. When asked by the checkout operator if she could check her bags, the lady played the "I dont speak English" card.
I asked her numerous times to let me lok under the jumper, she wouldnt move it. I then told her i would be calling the police and then she lifted the jumpers and there was $480.00 worth of bras and underwear in the bags. Police were called. She was charged.
The 2nd one was a drugged out guy who had taken his shoes off and left them in the show dept and put on some new ones. I was 6 months pregnant when i confronted him and he immediately admitted what he had done.
The 3rd was 2 staff members who were letting their friends through their checkouts and skipping scanning certain high priced objects. On the day i caught them, they let a friend through without paying for a stereo. They were questioned by police and admitted they had been doing it for a few weeks. They were charged.
on โ09-01-2014 10:04 AM
What i cant stand is the people who are rude to the poor person who asks to check their bag.
This person is just doing the job they are told to do and what they are paid for.
Dont go off at them.
You wanna kick up a fuss, have the balls to ask to speak to the manager or head of security about your issue with bag checking.
on โ09-01-2014 10:04 AM
@the_hawk* wrote:
@am*3 wrote:Take a 'special' type of person to go to those lengths.
I think meep asked above - has anyone in Australia ever done that or is it just a fantasy some people have?
Oh dear me why not do some research rather than write stuff you think is right.
Legal risks
It is important to understand that private security personnel possess no
greater powers than those of the owner, occupier, director or manager of
premises. Like any citizen, owners or their agents have the right to make a
"citizen's arrest" in circumstances where they perceive that a crime (such as
larceny in a shopping centre, for example) has been committed. The only
limitation is that owners and citizens have to be right about their suspicions
or face a civil suit (for false imprisonment or assault) if they are wrong or
unable to prove their case. By contrast, the public police's actions are
usually authorised by special legislation which provides a defence against
any such action, the defence of reasonable suspicion..
ref http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/conferences/business/sarre.pdf
and http://defamationwatch.com.au/?p=374
lots more if you look
The cases were either dismissed or lost on appeal
http://www.timebase.com.au/news/2011/AT535-article.html
Arrest -- Powers of citizen -- Detention of customer by store detective pending arrival of police -- (NSW) Crimes Act 1900 s 352(1) Arrest -- Wrongful arrest -- Standard of proof where crime alleged.
The appellant was arrested by a store detective and detained until a police constable arrived. After spending about half an hour making inquiries and taking a statement the constable arrested the appellant on a charge of larceny. He was acquitted of this charge. An action by the appellant for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment against the store and two of its employees, including the person who had arrested him, was dismissed.
In the circumstances, the court was satisfied, that the store detective had been able to show that she had had reasonable and proper cause to suspect, on the balance of probabilities, and that offence had been committed, and thus the arrest and subsequently undue detention had been neither unlawful nor unreasonable.
@the_hawk* wrote:
they have no special powers, they could make a citizens arrest but that would get the company sued for unlawful detention (false imprisonment ) and a number of other things for many tens of thounsands of $$ when they found nothing.
"false imprisonment" (when found nothing) does not automatically guarantee an entitlement to compensation.
on โ09-01-2014 10:04 AM
The 2nd one was a drugged out guy who had taken his shoes off and left them in the show dept and put on some new ones. I was 6 months pregnant when i confronted him and he immediately admitted what he had done.
I had that happen to me when I was working in a shoe shop, I was out the back searching for a size in somthing else he wanted to try on and when I came back in customer was gone and his old shoes were still sitting there on the floor.
on โ09-01-2014 10:11 AM
"btw, what on earth do you people with "personal items" carry in your bag that you wouldn't want anyone to see?"
The mind boggles.
My handbag has my purse, keys, phone, tissues and a pen. I do have sanitary pads in there but they are in a secret zipped compartment. Although, one time while standing in a checkout line with my son, before i noticed, he found that secret zipper and proceeded to pull a pad out and say "Whats this Mum?"
on โ09-01-2014 02:09 PM
Speaking with my sister in law this morning, her handbag is bigger than an A4 piece of paper, she says that any time she is asked for a bag inspection of her handbag, she says it is her private property of personal things, and she is not going to share contents with anyone, if you really want to see in my bag, you can call the police...........she said they never do & say, your shopping bags will do.
As to what is in a handbag........mine has the usual items but I also have letters, photos, some of my sons ashes...........all very personal items, that are for me, and no one else......
So in the future I intend to say what my SIL says.
The police are too busy to be running to all shops when someone doesnt want to open their bag, their person hand bag.
on โ09-01-2014 02:25 PM
god why do people have to be so hardarse on a simple bag inspection? it takes like 2 seconds