on 11-01-2015 10:29 AM
on 11-01-2015 12:31 PM
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:to no one in particular:
who would you trust to leave your
children with?
I would prefer another topic started than to discuss it here.
it was your comment that prompted me
to ask that question.
@donnashuggy wrote:
Only if he is gay? It is wise not to trust anyone
Exactly, I answered
on 11-01-2015 12:37 PM
@donnashuggy wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:to no one in particular:
who would you trust to leave your
children with?
I would prefer another topic started than to discuss it here.
it was your comment that prompted me
to ask that question.
@donnashuggy wrote:
Only if he is gay? It is wise not to trust anyone
Exactly, I answered
yes. that was why the question was
not directed at you specifically.
on 11-01-2015 12:49 PM
@aps1080 wrote:
@alexander*beetle wrote:Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual(Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).
These are cases in which the term pedophilia – referring as it does to attractions to prepubescent children – can cause confusion. Rather than pedophilia, the accusations stemming from these scandals raised the question of whether gay people shouldn't be trusted in positions of authority where there is any opportunity for sexually harassing or abusing others.
Here again, there is no inherent connection between an adult's sexual orientation and her or his propensity for endangering others. Scientific research provides no evidence that homosexual people are less likely than heterosexuals to exercise good judgment and appropriate discretion in their employment settings. There are no data, for example, showing that gay men and lesbians are more likely than heterosexual men and women to sexually harass their subordinates in the workplace. Data from studies using a variety of psychological measures do not indicate that gay people are more likely than heterosexuals to possess any psychological characteristics that would make them less capable of controlling their sexual urges, refraining from the abuse of power, obeying rules and laws, interacting effectively with others, or exercising good judgment in handling authority.
But don't let the research and facts get in the way of prejudice.
Alex
Since you are so confident, I'll pay you $500 to leave your grand children with him for a week,
or another priest who has stated they are gay.
I somehow think your daughter or son won't allow you to do that with their childen.
I don't gamble. Adn as far as to whether my children would allow my grandchildren to be around gays. I raised my children to be non judgemental and to accept people from all walks of life. So I don't have any concerns about them being bigoted and prejudiced.
Nevertheless, I wouldn't leave any of my children or grandchildren with a priest for all sorts of other reasons, none of them relating to their sexuality. But if I had to I would prefer to leave them with a gay priest than a straight one. Acknowledging, of course, that not all straight priests are paedophiles but through personal experience I would prefer not to.
My son was involved in a community group growing up and his leader was an openly gay man. I trusted that man totally with not only my son but all the other children and teens he worked with. Interestingly, another leader from the same organisation was later charged with child abuse. A straight man with his own children. My son's leader is a caring, trustworthy and honest person who we still keep in touch with to this day. He is a paramedic and his partner a doctor so does that mean they shouldn't treat children? He and his partner of 20 years are two of the most outstanding, caring and compassionate people I have ever met. They also just happen to be gay but that is not something I even think about anymore.
You do realise dont you that gays are in all facets of society? They are not all 'obviously' gay so you may never know who you are dealing with.
I simply cannot see how a gay man can be perceived to be a risk to my children when all evidence points to paedophiles who are straight being the main perpetrators.
on 11-01-2015 12:52 PM
11-01-2015 12:56 PM - edited 11-01-2015 12:57 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:Saying you are gay is not a confession icy. I would be more worried about priests living a lie. So you get a defect for most of your comments here
getting a defect from such as yourself is a positive in my view, Donna.
Yes I know, did I get any kudos for it?
Even Hitler had his adherents
So who is being equated with Hitler? Donna or the gay priest? Explain please.
on 11-01-2015 12:59 PM
@alexander*beetle wrote:
Apologists for what? Can you explain what you mean by that accusation?
An apologist is a person who argues in favor of something unpopular.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/apologist
knock yourself out.
on 11-01-2015 01:04 PM
@bright.ton42 wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:Saying you are gay is not a confession icy. I would be more worried about priests living a lie. So you get a defect for most of your comments here
getting a defect from such as yourself is a positive in my view, Donna.
Yes I know, did I get any kudos for it?
Even Hitler had his adherents
So who is being equated with Hitler? Donna or the gay priest? Explain please.
the person thinking herself having rights to kudos for giving defect notices.
on 11-01-2015 01:05 PM
Apologist for what? You made the accusation so why not answer the question instead of avoiding it?
on 11-01-2015 01:09 PM
Thank you for the education lesson. However, you have made an accusation that I am apologist. I would like you clarify the accusation of who I am an apologist for.
on 11-01-2015 01:16 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@alexander*beetle wrote:Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual(Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).
These are cases in which the term pedophilia – referring as it does to attractions to prepubescent children – can cause confusion. Rather than pedophilia, the accusations stemming from these scandals raised the question of whether gay people shouldn't be trusted in positions of authority where there is any opportunity for sexually harassing or abusing others.
Here again, there is no inherent connection between an adult's sexual orientation and her or his propensity for endangering others. Scientific research provides no evidence that homosexual people are less likely than heterosexuals to exercise good judgment and appropriate discretion in their employment settings. There are no data, for example, showing that gay men and lesbians are more likely than heterosexual men and women to sexually harass their subordinates in the workplace. Data from studies using a variety of psychological measures do not indicate that gay people are more likely than heterosexuals to possess any psychological characteristics that would make them less capable of controlling their sexual urges, refraining from the abuse of power, obeying rules and laws, interacting effectively with others, or exercising good judgment in handling authority.
But don't let the research and facts get in the way of prejudice.
Yeah ok. In the meantime, I think I'll take the precautions and keep my kids away from self-confessed homosexual priests, thanks, Alex.
Who else will you keep them away from? only the self confessed homosexuals and pedophiles?
apoligists who think it's ok.
Are you saying I am an apologist for pedophile priests and that I think it's ok?