on 23-09-2013 10:45 AM
It gets better everyday 🙂
THE entire NBN Co board has reportedly submitted their resignations to Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull.
The resignations have yet to be accepted by the minister, Fairfax Media reports, and a decision is to be made at a cabinet meeting in early October.
Mr Turnbull hinted in July, after NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley quit, that he may sack board members from the organisation responsible for the national broadband network.
The coalition has blamed the board and executive team for massive cost blowouts, timetable delays and for contractors losing money.
Mr Turnbull said after the election that former Telstra boss Ziggy Switkowski would be well qualified for the role of NBN Co chairman.
The coalition's vastly different plan for the network would switch from the previous Labor government's fibre-to-the-home scheme to a cheaper fibre-to-the-node option.
on 23-09-2013 05:26 PM
on 23-09-2013 05:34 PM
am*3
having no competition and banning competition are not in the same class.
Not only banning competition but dismantling competition that is in existance.
23-09-2013 05:41 PM - edited 23-09-2013 05:42 PM
..Another of Malcom’s oft-quoted myths is that the NBN is a “great big new monopoly”, set to turn back the clock on decades of communications reform.
Bollocks.
Let’s get something absolutely clear: The NBN is nothing like the vertical monopoly that currently exists in Australian telecommunications. Right now (with very few exceptions), Australia’s fixed line telecommunications are provided by the Telstra monopoly network. And not only do they have a near-monopoly on the network itself, they also offer retail services over that network. This situation is known as a vertical monopoly, and is the worst possible outcome for consumers and competition. This is because Telstra’s retail competitors must buy access to Telstra’s own network. This puts Telstra in an immensely powerful position, where they can sell wholesale access to their competitors while protecting the income from their retail division.
While the NBN will be a near-monopoly of fixed line infrastructure, it will not be a vertical monopoly.
NBN Co will not have a retail business and must sell wholesale access to every retailer under the same terms, at the same pricing, overseen by the ACCC.
As part of the NBN supporting legislation, the vertical monopoly of Telstra is broken, finally delivering the telecommunications reform that should have been done before Telstra was sold.
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/malcolms-myths/
Telstra’s retail competitors must buy access to Telstra’s own network -- Currently this is what people in a lot of areas still suffer from.. I paid $57 a month for a landline with O (Telstra resale customers), $15 with the NBN service.
The other ISP's, telephone providers don't find it worthwhile income wise to offer a service in these areas.
23-09-2013 05:44 PM - edited 23-09-2013 05:47 PM
@poddster wrote:am*3
having no competition and banning competition are not in the same class.
Not only banning competition but dismantling competition that is in existance.
The NBN gives a choice of retail ISP's - they set their own plans and costs. The pre NBN way didn't... the isps/phone providers won't offer a service in telstra resale areas, if they do it is priced ridiculously high.
Not every one lives in a city with ADSL2. and other options.
O stopped accepting newTelstra resale customers, then even offered to let people out of their contracts with them, as they didn't want them anymore. I stayed with them because I did not want to be a Telstra customer.
on 23-09-2013 07:24 PM
A3: "NBN Co will not have a retail business and must sell wholesale access to every retailer under the same terms, at the same pricing, overseen by the ACCC."
True A3, however the retail businesses require network/backbone to operate, and the NBN fought tooth and nail to close down any competition, even to the point of a asking that Telstra be prevented from advertising mobile Internet. However the ACCC kicked that out, but the government legislated to make the NBN a protected MONOPOLY.
A3 you write: " While the NBN will be a near-monopoly of fixed line infrastructure," please explain the "near", as a government protected network with a no competition (forgetting the 1km 2010 clause) law , is in my understanding a monopoly.
Did I mention the requirement to close down HFC Internet traffic, and copper communications, to protect this horizontal monopoly?
on 23-09-2013 09:15 PM
@monman12 wrote:A3: "NBN Co will not have a retail business and must sell wholesale access to every retailer under the same terms, at the same pricing, overseen by the ACCC."
True A3, however the retail businesses require network/backbone to operate, and the NBN fought tooth and nail to close down any competition, even to the point of a asking that Telstra be prevented from advertising mobile Internet. However the ACCC kicked that out, but the government legislated to make the NBN a protected MONOPOLY.
A3 you write: " While the NBN will be a near-monopoly of fixed line infrastructure," please explain the "near", as a government protected network with a no competition (forgetting the 1km 2010 clause) law , is in my understanding a monopoly.
Did I mention the requirement to close down HFC Internet traffic, and copper communications, to protect this horizontal monopoly?
NBN Co don't own the backhaul. It's one of the areas of competition and will determine who offers cheap value plans and who offers quality high performance plans. NBN Co own the fibre backbones in areas that had none or inadequate previously. NBN Co did not fight tooth and nail to close down other fibre links. What they fought was Telstra advertising the mobile network as competition to the NBN network, which is fair enough considering Telstra are cashing in significantly from their deals with NBN Co.
on 23-09-2013 09:22 PM
@monman12 wrote:LL: "private capital wouldn't touch it eh . how would such a thing be funded or started without a body set up for the purpose ?
interested in how it should have been approached or if indeed started otherwise". it wouldn't. ?????? Explain please
"David Teoh’s TPG Telecom last week announced that it will connect fibre to capital city apartment buildings. The company already has 3,800 kilometres of fibre connecting businesses to the internet; now it’s planning to move into high-density residential, which is the most profitable."
It's obvious. Cherry pick the profitable areas that NBN Co relies on to offer the same price wholesale product across the country. Without the profitable areas NBN can't profit enough to support the rest of the population.
on 23-09-2013 09:25 PM
@monman12 wrote:Yes LL private industry was not prepared to cover 98% of the population, because of the expected return on the capital expenditure. However , in 2008 Telstra said it would commit $5 billion of its own cash to building a network which would cover 90% of the population, obviously urban centres.
I repeat, I would not touch NBN shares in a fit if it went "public", which is ironic considering it currently could be described as an erratic NBN snail munching away at the public lettuce.
I notice that a couple of those I debate this topic with, have still not indicated what Internet speeds they need, as opposed to what they want.
Perhaps TPG will be allowed to service city apartments from its current fibre backbone free from the monopoly legislation of the current NBN (outside of the 1km 2010 rule).
If you're talking about me not answering to how much I need. I have answered before. I have said my needs fluctuate on a daily basis. I need to be able to access a reliable service with enough bandwidth for the peak demand and increasing demands. At the moment I make do with 25/5 services because I can make do with that. I can see that need increasing within the next 12 months.
on 23-09-2013 09:25 PM
i see turnbull sacked the board.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-23/nbn-shell/4976378
on 23-09-2013 09:26 PM
Is this correct? Telstra originally didn't want anything to do with the NBN.. then when they realised they were going to be left behind in the dust they wanted in on it?
If they want in on the NBN then it is fair enough that they should not have been allowed to keep their copper lines as well.. can't have your cake and eat it too.