Excusing the slaughter Its all our Fault

[nero_bolt]

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Hizb ut-Tahrir refuses to criticise Muslim terrorists who slaughter other Muslims, massacre infidels, traffic in women and behead journalists and aid workers:

Emma Alberici confronts this head case.

The interview is quite revealing. Apparently its all our fault again. In typical fashion its all about our countrys desire to assist the barbarians out of ...the stone age.

Its ok for IS to butcher their own kind but its not ok for us to stand in the middle of the religious factions to seek peace between the warring tribes.

The quicker these fruit loops are chucked out of Australia the better.

Poor Emma Alberici couldnt get a word in with this hate filled person... and he was born here and lives in our society yet hates us and everything we stand for 

Take 10 minutes and watch this interview from Lateline last night... its an eye opener...

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 08/10/2014

Reporter: Emma Alberici

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

[iapetus_rocks]

My comdemnation of Islam stems from knowledge of what it is and of what it says.

Logic and an objective assessment is not bigotry. Disagreement is not bigotry. I have reasonable criticisms and I can express them reasonably.

There are relatively few Australians who really understand the teachings of Islam, and for those who don't understand, perhaps your criticism is justified.

[kilroy_is_here]

Just because your paranoid , dosnt mean there not watching you!
The line between bigotry and self preservation is a very fine one, when some say that you must either convert to there way of thinking or die I don't think disagreeing with is any where near bigotry

[iapetus_rocks]

I'm not paranoid; it's just that everyone else thinks I am. 😉

The word "'phobia" is used to express an unreasonable fear. Fear where there is no justifiable reason to fear.

Now, it is reasonable and in no way phobic to have fear of a real and present threat or danger; a threat  or a danger which can be seen and appreciated for what it is.

It's not a fine line. it's a line drawn bold, often in blood.

[village_person]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

My comdemnation of Islam stems from knowledge of what it is and of what it says.

Logic and an objective assessment is not bigotry. Disagreement is not bigotry. I have reasonable criticisms and I can express them reasonably.

There are relatively few Australians who really understand the teachings of Islam, and for those who don't understand, perhaps your criticism is justified.

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People like to blur the lines between criticism or examination and racism/bigotry/xenophobia. If they start to lose the battle for ideas they like to toss around the race card. The word racism has lost its power because of its abuse.

Just think that at school they encourage you to examine, question, critique, and enquire. At school if you say that xxxx invented the theory of xxxxx long before xxxxxx did you don't get branded as a racist. Why not extend that to all matters in life? Examine, question, theorise, etc, without being tagged as a bigot, racist or whatever.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

My comdemnation of Islam stems from knowledge of what it is and of what it says.

There are relatively few Australians who really understand the teachings of Islam, and for those who don't understand, perhaps your criticism is justified.

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It seems to me that your knowledge comes from one source - your assertion that you have read the Koran so therefore, in your opinion, you understand islam. Although, in my opinion, you sem only to have read the nasty stuff and none of the good values written about that the majority of modern day muslims apply to their life today.

Well imagine if you applied the same source of knowldeg to the bible?

• Then you would be left thinking Christianity is a religion of sacrifiuces, stonings, and incest.
• That eating crab and lobster is a sin and you should scrub yourself after a wet dream.
• That during a war you should kill every young boy on the other side and any woman who has ever slept with the enemy.
• That we should cut off our own hands and pluck out our eyes (a Jesus favourite) to avoid sin and that non belivers should be savagely destroyed as the disciples go from village to village.
• That rape is not punishable if the woman is not screaming and in fact if she doesn't scream she must be complicit so she should be stoned to death for her sin.
• That homosexuality is an abbhorration and sin punishable by death
• etc.

[lightningdance]

Why are you continuously holding up modern day Christianity  against radical islam. Why can't you have an honest debate about what you think instead of holding up examples of Christianity which is not the problem we are discussing.

Why can't you see the threat this isil is to the world.

You have nothing detrimental to say about what our forces and many other countries of the world are now calling the greatest threat to humankind since the dark ages.

You are fond of calling the race card and the bigot card if anyone disagrees with your opinion. I don't think for a minute isil would appreciate your and others support unless you convert or lose your head.

Trying to say all posters on here who don't support what islam has visited on the world is because they are racists and bigots has you playing the race card to shut down debate.

Nobody on here has ever said that a ll muslims in our country and around the world are radical but dozens of young men from Australian are going overseas to fight with isil

What does that tell you?  isil is supported in our country by many radicalised muslims.

[boris1gary]

Does anyone seriously believe that 30,000 idiots in utes (most not from that part of the world) are the greatest threat to humankind since the dark ages?

[nero_bolt]

They want this to happen in Australia..... I wonder how the left leaning women that seem to support them would get on under an Islamic state and rule...

World 'deserves' an Islamic caliphate, says Bankstown sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah

A hardline Islamic leader from a group advocating an Islamic caliphate says Muslims should be ready to make sacrifices to achieve it.

“We believe this world deserves a new world order,” Ismail Al-Wahwah declared at an event headed by the controversial Hizb ut-Tahrir organisation.

More than 200 people attended the lecture at Lakemba in Sydney’s west on Friday night where Al-Wahwah, a sheik from Bankstown, denounced Australia’s involvement in the US-led campaign in Iraq and Syria aimed at fighting Isis extremists.

The crowd was engaged and calm except for a moment of slight tension when an audience member asked the sheik about the penalty under sharia law for a Muslim leaving the Islamic faith.

A 70-year-old woman also hit out at Al-Wahwah for criticising Australian values and told him to stop waving his finger around.

Hizb ut-Tahrir advocates that secular governments be replaced and Muslim-majority countries unite under a global caliphate governed by Islamic law.

Al-Wahwah said capitalism had stopped leading the world and Muslims were ready to make sacrifices.

“If you want to change, you have to pay the price,” the preacher told the lecture – titled The War to End a Blessed Revolution.

Weeks after 16 people were detained in a counterterrorism operation across western Sydney, Al-Wahwah denounced the police officers who burst into the bedrooms of Muslim women in the pre-dawn raids.

Australian civilisation would pay the price for this for a thousand years, he said. “Who is going to fix the harm done to the women?” he asked.

The prime minister, Tony Abbott, said earlier this week that Hizb ut-Tahrir was a deplorable organisation that had an ideology that justified terrorism.

Al-Wahwah shot back and criticised Australia’s involvement in the US-led operation in Iraq.

The issue was not Iraq or Syria but America wanting to control the world, he said.

“This new invasion will kill hundreds of thousands again and the blood will be on the hands of politicians again,” he said.

Meanwhile it was reported that the convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika has been influencing jihadist recruits from prison in a quest to become the spiritual leader of a new generation of Australian extremists.

Concerned over his growing influence, authorities have moved him to a different Victorian prison after several of his followers travelled to Syria to fight with the Islamic State group after visiting him in jail, News Corp Australia reported on Saturday.

Quoting security sources, News Corp says authorities believe Benbrika is seeking to model himself on jailed Indonesian cleric Abu Baku Bashir, the spiritual leader of the Bali bombers, who recently embraced Islamic State.

A self-proclaimed Islamic cleric, Algerian-born Benbrika is serving a 15-year jail term for leading a terrorist group in 2005 that talked of attacking Melbourne’s Crown casino and bombing the MCG.

Al-Wahwah said capitalism had stopped leading the world and Muslims were ready to make sacrifices.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/11/muslims-ready-to-sacrifice-everything-for-caliphate-say...

[azureline**]

Why are you continuously changing the meaning of other poster's posts? and telling them what they mean?

Most posters know what they mean when they write their posts, I have not seen one poster here support radicals of any form, nor ISIS/ISIL etc.