Four Corners tonight on Halal

[donnashuggy]

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/09/07/4305337.htm

[icyfroth]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market. 

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yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.

[donnashuggy]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market. 

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yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.

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Whose economy? Ours for sure because it is obviously much cheaper to produce in bulk and the market for halal is huge.

[donnashuggy]

What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?

[icyfroth]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market. 

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yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.

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Whose economy? Ours for sure because it is obviously much cheaper to produce in bulk and the market for halal is huge.

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Yes well that's how they presented it.

Huge gains for a small yearly payment of around $1500

Any reasonable person would shrug their shoulders and say go for it, was the message.

I didn't get to see the whole show from start to finish, unfortunately.

[the_great_she_elephant]

The financial benefit for any individual exporter would obviously depend on how much of their product they were selling to an overseas Muslem market  and how much of that export trade they would lose if their product was not Halal certified.

The benefit to the Australian economy wold be based on the sum total of  individual profits gained from Halal certified exports by each individual exporter.

[icyfroth]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?

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The Madurah Tea man?

Yes I got that too. It was not clear to me why he discontinued it.

[moonflyte]

Isn't it donating to a religion? are we being forced to donate by stealth?.

Religious ideologies many don’t want to be a part of and  don’t want to support.

We are a democracy and we have a right to avoid paying it if you feel strongly about it but we have no choice and that‘s what insults many Australians and the deterioration of the  fair go and freedom of choice.

[icyfroth]

Either way, I don't knowingly buy anything with a Halal badge on it. I always check.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?

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The Madurah Tea man?

Yes I got that too. It was not clear to me why he discontinued it.

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RON FORD: If you don't want to get it: that's fine, too. Our decision was to try it. We found no significant economic benefit. We terminated it.

you can read the transcript:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/09/07/4305337.htm

[the_great_she_elephant]

Isn't it donating to a religion? are we being forced to donate by stealth?

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You can't force anybody to do anything by stealth - the word 'force' implies physical coercion and  I haven't noticed any jihadis in my local supermarket herding people at gunpoint towards Halal certified products.

The whole point of Halal certification is that the product is labelled and identifiable, but I suppose anyone unable or unwilling to read labels before buying might complain they were being conned into donating.