GONSKI... WILL IT REALLY LEARN YA?

[nero_bolt]

The labor government in its final days and drowning in debt made ridiculously unattainable (and unfunded) social promises. It dared the then Opposition to match those unaffordable dream schemes.

 Unfortunately it did match them... Abbott felt the risk of Australia facing another term of Labor was far too great.

 The most outrageous of Gillard’s schemes was her NDIS, a cruel hoax, and next in line to be back-burned by Abbott.

 The NBN is already being wound back, as far as it can be, but water-filled holes worth $90 billion are hard to fill in without making a mess.

 Labor did everything possible to Abbott-proof its sinister agenda.

 Gillard brewed her alchemic witchcrafted potions according to the McTernan black-magic handbook: If Labor won, it would brazenly borrow up to one trillion. If Abbott won, Labor would not allow its unrepresentative Senate to fund Gillard’s own sorcery.

 Gillard’s Gonski scheme is nothing more than an unfunded attempt to centralise control of the education curricula in Canberra... a frightfully extreme proposition that would have, via their proposed plebiscite to empower councils, eventually denuded the States of their sovereignty and imposed Labor’s pièce de résistance: The eventual abolition of all private school funding.

 Labor has always coveted total control of education and the shaping of little kids’ minds... it’s how they see their socialist Shangri La of the future.

 Whitlam tried it with his “Schools’ Commission” in the 70s, replacing the essential three Rs with eco studies, phonetic spelling and green fairytales.

 Those children of Whitlam are now our illiterate teachers and Gonski’s billions cannot assist illiterate teachers to educate children in literacy.

 Chucking billions at the current education problem will have much the same effect as chucking billions at the Aboriginal problem.

 Contrary to Labor’s belief, money is neither the problem nor the answer! The answer is in what we teach our children... and that doesn’t cost one extra cent.

 It is appalling that Australian children were predictably beaten by students from 26 countries in year four reading in the 2011 International Reading and Literacy Study.

 Asian neighbour countries blitzed us in science and maths, with Singaporean and South Korean kids ahead of us in every single category except Marxist philosophy and global warming.

 The only thing upwardly trending in the Australian education system is teachers' salaries which are way above the OECD average and have risen 13 per cent since 2000 at all levels.

 Imagine the Gonski treasure trove that was set to be looted by teachers’ unions.

 If past Labor policies are responsible for the current education malaise (and they are) why in hell should it be given another go at it via an outrageous Gonski scam?

 O’Farrell and Napthine may well cry, “foul!”

Wasn’t it Keating who said: “Never stand between a Premier and a bucket of money”?

[**meep**]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Look again. It's half way into the interview and his exact words But I'm very pleased today to be announced that we're spending more money than Labor

 http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3903529.htm

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"I am proud to say we are spending MORE than Labor."

And when you put what he actually said in context............

[i-need-a-martini]

What context??

They spent the lead up to the election saying we couldn't afford Gonski. They then decided to scrap Gonski for some unknown strategy. After the backlash from that stupid announcement they decided to throw in the money that Qld/NT/WA would have got had they signed up. And to try and placate the criics even further they have announced a couple of extra billion chucked into the pool.

And they think that by saying that they are now throwing more money into education than Labor had planned is somehow going to put them into the good books again.

That is the context.

[i-need-a-martini]

And here is the context:

LEIGH SALES: For most of this year you've told us that Gonski was a "Con-ski", then just before the election you said you were on a unity ticket with Labor on Education funding. Last week you pulled out of that and said you'd be devising your own new funding model after 2014. Today, you're back on board with Gonski. Can you understand how for the average voter, that scarcely creates an impression that you have a clear purpose and know what you're doing?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: I think parents of school students just want to know that the Government is going to ensure that the money is there for their children's education, but more importantly, ...

LEIGH SALES: But they can't know that because you keep changing.

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well, we've announced $1.2 billion more on schools today than Labor was going to spend. If Labor had been re-elected, they would've spent $1.6 billion in extra money. We're spending $2.8, and I've delivered the national funding agreement that eluded Bill Shorten and Julia Gillard. I think that's quite a good day at the office.

[spotweldersfriend]

Closing ranks.Thick as thieves

[lakeland27]

'Well under our plan, we'll work with each state and territory, but we're not going to apply conditions to the states'

as feared, states like qld may now divert the money how they see fit. the education minister there will be gold plating some of the ''less mainstream'' schools that reflect his view. the kind of school i refer to has a religious motive , and neglects the important parts of the curriculum. that's money wasted and poor outcomes for students. quoting verse isn't exactly a skill in high demand.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

'Well under our plan, we'll work with each state and territory, but we're not going to apply conditions to the states'

as feared, states like qld may now divert the money how they see fit. the education minister there will be gold plating some of the ''less mainstream'' schools that reflect his view. the kind of school i refer to has a religious motive , and neglects the important parts of the curriculum. that's money wasted and poor outcomes for students. quoting verse isn't exactly a skill in high demand.

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You do understand what the three purposes of a school are, don't you?

1) To provide a sorting house for society

2) To produce an amenable workforce suitable to a country's needs

3) to condition and train people/ socialize them into the valued and desireable variables of the majority.

Our school system and society in general are underpinned by meritocratic objectives

I'm not syaing it is right, but the perception of what a school "should" do and what the system is designed to do are two very different things.

BTW, the purpose of quoting verse, is not to recall the information memorized. It is a proven strategy to strengthen neural pathways to improve the brain's functionality and ability. (Remember Brain Training?)

It doesn't matter what it is that is learned to quote, as long as it is the "native" language of the person. The maximum brain activity is acheived when reciting and reading aloud in your own language and doing simple math calculations. Different and less areas of the brain are used for silent reading, reqading in a foreign language and more complicated math. etc.

Start with the book Train Your Brain by Ryuta Kawashima.... that's a good place to start, it even has lots of pictures!

[punch*drunk]

I really should stay away from these political threads......am I correct in thinking that people werent happy because they were going to give less money to schools, but now the same people arent happy because they are going to give more......shakes head.

[izabsmiling]

it's not that simplistic 

3 December 2013, 6.32am AEST

From Gonski to gone to Gonski again: school funding future remains uncertain

It seems we’re in Gonski groundhog day. The repeated backflips and policy position switches from the Abbott government – only three months into its term – have been astounding.

After announcing last week they would dump the so-called Gonski model and the former government’s deals with the states, this latest announcement sees three new states sign up and the government honouring the other state deals again.

But the government is only committing to four years of these agreements, not the original six promised by the Gillard government – leaving the states missing around 70% of the funding they were first promised.

The precious little policy detail available and rhetorical back and forth still leaves much uncertainty about the future of schools funding. But in this debacle, the real aims of the Gonski review’s recommendations have been forgotten.

*Forgetting Gonski

For six years the Coalition has repeatedly told us that the Howard government’s model for school funding was working.

They said the schools were getting the money they needed, and education minister Christopher Pyne even recently claimed that he believed there was no equity problem to address in Australian education.

This made the government’s school funding reforms – which saw a fairer funding system based on need based on David Gonski’s review – unnecessary.

http://theconversation.com/from-gonski-to-gone-to-gonski-again-school-funding-future-remains-uncerta...

[donnashuggy]

Re: GONSKI... WILL IT REALLY LEARN YA?

in reply to my*mum

24 minutes ago

I really should stay away from these political threads......am I correct in thinking that people werent happy because they were going to give less money to schools, but now the same people arent happy because they are going to give more......shakes head.

No, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out which truth to believe with the things that abbott and pyne have stated as fact/truth. If you follow closely what they both say it is more of a comedy act and they cannot be trusted or taken seriously. 

[donnashuggy]

I really should stay away from these political threads......am I correct in thinking that people werent happy because they were going to give less money to schools, but now the same people arent happy because they are going to give more......shakes head.

No, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out which truth to believe with the things that abbott and pyne have stated as fact/truth. If you follow closely what they both say it is more of a comedy act and they cannot be trusted or taken seriously. 

[spotweldersfriend]

They are only coughing up for 4 years.Labor was committed to a 6 year deal.