GONSKI... WILL IT REALLY LEARN YA?

nero_bolt
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The labor government in its final days and drowning in debt made ridiculously unattainable (and unfunded) social promises. It dared the then Opposition to match those unaffordable dream schemes.

 

 Unfortunately it did match them... Abbott felt the risk of Australia facing another term of Labor was far too great.

 

 The most outrageous of Gillard’s schemes was her NDIS, a cruel hoax, and next in line to be back-burned by Abbott.

 

 The NBN is already being wound back, as far as it can be, but water-filled holes worth $90 billion are hard to fill in without making a mess.

 

 Labor did everything possible to Abbott-proof its sinister agenda.

 

 Gillard brewed her alchemic witchcrafted potions according to the McTernan black-magic handbook: If Labor won, it would brazenly borrow up to one trillion. If Abbott won, Labor would not allow its unrepresentative Senate to fund Gillard’s own sorcery.

 

 Gillard’s Gonski scheme is nothing more than an unfunded attempt to centralise control of the education curricula in Canberra... a frightfully extreme proposition that would have, via their proposed plebiscite to empower councils, eventually denuded the States of their sovereignty and imposed Labor’s pièce de résistance: The eventual abolition of all private school funding.

 

 Labor has always coveted total control of education and the shaping of little kids’ minds... it’s how they see their socialist Shangri La of the future.

 

 Whitlam tried it with his “Schools’ Commission” in the 70s, replacing the essential three Rs with eco studies, phonetic spelling and green fairytales.

 

 Those children of Whitlam are now our illiterate teachers and Gonski’s billions cannot assist illiterate teachers to educate children in literacy.

 

 Chucking billions at the current education problem will have much the same effect as chucking billions at the Aboriginal problem.

 

 Contrary to Labor’s belief, money is neither the problem nor the answer! The answer is in what we teach our children... and that doesn’t cost one extra cent.

 

 It is appalling that Australian children were predictably beaten by students from 26 countries in year four reading in the 2011 International Reading and Literacy Study.

 

 Asian neighbour countries blitzed us in science and maths, with Singaporean and South Korean kids ahead of us in every single category except Marxist philosophy and global warming.

 

 The only thing upwardly trending in the Australian education system is teachers' salaries which are way above the OECD average and have risen 13 per cent since 2000 at all levels.

 

 Imagine the Gonski treasure trove that was set to be looted by teachers’ unions.

 

 If past Labor policies are responsible for the current education malaise (and they are) why in hell should it be given another go at it via an outrageous Gonski scam?

 

 O’Farrell and Napthine may well cry, “foul!”

 

Wasn’t it Keating who said: “Never stand between a Premier and a bucket of money”?

 

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The Unity Ticket voted on

 

The statement made as recently as the 17th of Nov to honour  same funding and model

 

 

The blame thrown in all directions and different excuses created as days went by 

Is a disgrace 

This is an important issue 

 

It's been turned into a political toy and so too has the issue of Education in Australia

 

 

The 1.2 wasn't there as our new Government keeps claiming....they KNEW that and why

The other States didn't sign up 

It wasn't ripped out of education .If the other States HAD signed up they would have shared that 1.2m

 

 

 

 

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@donnashuggy wrote:
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I really should stay away from these political threads......am I correct in thinking that people werent happy because they were going to give less money to schools, but now the same people arent happy because they are going to give more......shakes head.

 

 

No, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out which truth to believe with the things that abbott and pyne have stated as fact/truth. If you follow closely what they both say it is more of a comedy act and they cannot be trusted or taken seriously. 


lol, and that makes them different to any other politician how?

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this is unlike anything I've seen in Australian Politics  

 

or In Australia full stop .

 

 

 

 

and If there was no intent to deliver on that promise pre-election 

 

 

It is an event bigger issue

 

It's deliberate Fraud

 

 

 

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Stop upsetting the conservatives spot, they are already upset that abbott found the money for a scheme they don't believe in.

 

ha ha ha ha

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Labor is very different, their social policies, the pricing of carbon for example they don't appear to be buckling on.

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exactly right D , these guys have no real 'plan' except for achieving power. one has to ask why they are pursuing policies that have no chance of clearing the current senate. i'ts becoming apparent they have no plan b.

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@izabsmiling wrote:

I keep wanting to scream everytime I hear Christopher Pyne talk about and boast about the  1.2b he claims was 'ripped out'

.I have trouble with the level of blatent dishonesty .It's embarrassing 

 

 

 

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 26/11/2013

Reporter: Steve Cannane

Education Minister Christopher Pyne discusses the government's decision to abandon Labor's so-called Gonski model for school funding.

 

 

 

 STEVE CANNANE: Okay, let's talk more about that $1.2 billion that Labor saved as a result of not striking deals with WA, Queensland and the Northern Territory. When did the Coalition find out about that?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: It was in PEFO but it was reasonably well hidden in PEFO and the economic statement that Chris Bowen handed down on August the 2nd didn't even mention the fact that $1.2 billion was to be ripped out.

STEVE CANNANE: So when did you find out about it?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: That had to come out in PEFO.

STEVE CANNANE: So when did you find out about it?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well, I read it in PEFO but I was surprised and believed that post the election we could make sure that money was put back.

STEVE CANNANE: And when did you read that, in August?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: The truth is: when I realised post the election that the $1.2 billion had been taken as a saving by Bill Shorten, the whole game changed.

STEVE CANNANE: But didn't you realise during the election that that happened? Because Joe Hockey on 'Q&A' mentioned it. He said that $1.2 billion had been taken out.

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: But I'd hoped, fervently hoped, that post the election we'd be able to find $1.2 billion and that the Government hadn't really, couldn't really, seriously, possibly have made a $1.2 billion of savings off the back of school students around Australia. But Bill Shorten did just that. He has left us a shambles and it's my responsibility to fix it and I intend to do so.

STEVE CANNANE: Okay, but it was reported in the newspaper on August 13. Joe Hockey mentioned it in that debate, yet during the campaign you continued to say that you would be promising $2.8 billion of new money to the reforms, the new reforms?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: I always hoped that the $2.8 billion would be there post the election. After my briefings with Treasury, with Finance, with the Department of Education, it became quite apparent that Bill Shorten hadn't just taken the money out in PEFO, they'd banked it as a saving.

STEVE CANNANE: But didn't you know it was off the books? Joe Hockey seemed to be admitting that during that interview on 'Q&A'.

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Steve, they were prepared to rip off school students in WA, Queensland and the Northern Territory. I'm not prepared to do that.

STEVE CANNANE: Okay, so are you now going to shrink the funding envelope to the States who signed up to Gonski? Will you be spending $1.6 billion across all the States, those who signed up and those who didn't?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: No.

STEVE CANNANE: Okay, so do we know what kind of figure that will be, then?

I will have announcements to make about that in the coming days and weeks so that there's a fair and equitable treatment of Western Australian, Queenslander and Northern Territory students.

STEVE CANNANE: So the States who signed up to Gonski will get that $1.6 billion?

CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Correct.

 http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3899668.htm


I'll see if the moderators can remove the intitial post I made about this as there are parts missing in the 1st post.Sorry

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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
They are only coughing up for 4 years.Labor was committed to a 6 year deal.

Labor were committed to a 6 year deal when they were unsure if they would even be in power to administer it for that 6 years.


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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State education ministers remain dissatisfied with the Federal Government's education funding model, despite proposed changes to give states more flexibility over their budgets.

The Coalition performed a spectacular backflip yesterday, pledging to fund Labor's previously announced Gonski reforms for four years.

However, the states that have existing agreements still want all six years of the funding pledged by Labor, with Tasmania, SA and Victoria all voicing their concerns this morning. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/states-want-abbott-to-honour-original-education-funding-model/...

 

 

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tossing our money around...without conditions which were designed to make the spend worthwhile.

isn't my idea of cutting the waste ...interesting that this particular 'cut the waste' Government feels that to be the case .

Rather have our Country's children fail.....and be able to say " we told you people that they didn't know what they were doing with that Conski thing"  .  

 ..they also told us that they were on a unity ticket  Woman LOL

 

 

M*M: Do our  Governments work on the basis that we will have other Goverments to take over 'the same role for us'

 in future ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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